MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:


In Tibet live very happy people.

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There are videos showing elderly Chinese demonstrating extraordinary strength/desperation for a dollar.  In one, an elderly Chinese man carried a large and heavy looking wardrobe/cabinet on his back -- across town and up dozens of steep steps. Apparently it's cheaper to 'move house' by employing the desperate elderly than to hire, for instance, a van.  In another vid, older and elderly Chinese were lined up to carry bricks. The number of bricks carried by each man was beyond belief -- dozens at a time, on their backs looped by ropes.  They walked away with their burdens, bent over from the waist

There was a rash of reports about Chinese hacking into kindergarden and primary students a few years back.  Explanations don't make sense to Western minds

In contrast, though, is the man who travelled throughout China for years, searching for his son who'd been kidnapped aged 4.  The father worked odd-jobs during his search to pay for motor bike repair and fuel.  Took years before the son was located.  The son had been well cared for by his adoptive parents, well educated and seemed a bit nonplussed by his biological father's dedication

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

I worked with a Chinese girl who was in Australia to study.  She was assertive and said she'd worked in the Chinese version of the public service. At a party (in China) to celebrate the retirement of her boss, she slipped documents before him to be signed. Those documents allowed her to come to Australia.  After a year or so, she voluntarily returned to China. She said people in China get a better deal. When asked why, she spoke with disgust about so many 'old' Australians still at work and by 'old' she meant people around age 60 and older.

She told me that her father had retired by 60 and further questioning revealed her parents lived in a Chinese state-owned house which had 'belonged' to her grandparents and which had been handed down to her parents.  The Chinese state allowed tenants to pass the houses down generationally and undertook whatever maintenance/repairs were necessary

After learning this I explained to her that we don't have a similar situation here in Australia and must pay for our own houses, with mortgages often exceeding 25 years.  This, I said, is why senior-aged Australians continue to work.  She was nevertheless disgusted by so many older, working Aussies.  I posted about this years ago in this forum.  Hearing about the Chinese system was an eye-opener for those of us who worked with the Chinese girl as it ran contrary to what Australian media was reporting about China

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people.

And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy.

Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP.

The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:52pm:


Again fake Anglo news media.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:


The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong.
When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong.

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According to overseas media, the Chinese authorities are engaged in a new moral code, including ridding social media of effeminate boy-bands and the focus on cosmetic surgery, western fads and music, etc

As part of this push, the Chinese authorities urge their menfolk in particular to shape-up by  going to gyms, etc. instead of the sedentary, computer and gaming lifestyle

In addition, the Chinese authorities are urging people to (a) marry and (b) produce two and more children.  As incentive, the authorities provide extra paid time off work

The same overseas media claims the above measures stem from China's ageing populations which can only be supported by an enlarged younger population

Chinese singles counter this by claiming they can't afford to marry or have children.  Those who already have one child claim they cannot afford to have more.  Is this because children would impede their desire to achieve a western, materialistic lifestyle?

I watched a video from China in which a bride, in full western-style wedding regalia, abused her future spouse for not giving her a Mercedes as she'd asked.  The groom, humiliated by this display before the entire wedding-party, countered by telling her that he simply could not afford to provide her the upmarket home she'd demanded, plus monetary gifts, plus the Mercedes -- something had to give, so instead of the Mercedes, he'd bought her an expensive new vehicle, but hadn't been able to stretch to the Mercedes

The groom's parents, uncles, etc. stood embarrassed as the bride lashed into him, told him he was a cheap-stake, unworthy, etc.  Then she threw her wedding bouquet in his face and strutted away

the video went on to say that in addition to the bride's demands, the groom would also have been required to house and support her parents (and possibly his own, can't remember).  All this stemmed from the one-child policy, said the video, which had in turn resulted in a scarcity of women -- which eventuated years later in unrealistic demands from the women of marriageable age.  Most comments beneath the video were along the lines of, 'You had a lucky escape, mate'

In another video out of China, a very well-educated Chinese young woman filmed her attendance at a 'marriage mart', which we're told is a regular event in some places in China.  She said her parents had continually nagged her to attend the marriage-market and finally, to please them, she'd attended and filmed some of it

she filmed herself sitting on a bench at the marriage market.  Before her were copies of her 'credentials' including her education and career path. We in Australia would consider her a catch.  One set of men's parents after another approached her and studied her credentials before inviting her to meet their son.  She said she felt utterly humiliated but accepted the pragmatism of those who approached her -- they wanted their son to make a good match with a woman who'd be able to contribute financially in their son's life

she was an attractive young woman and she said she felt no need to marry as she could more than adequately provide for herself.  Parental pressure pushed her to attend the function which was very well-attended by parents.  Can't remember seeing any single men present although there might have been

but what does this say about the claim that Chinese despise democracy?  Sure, in the West we promote romantic love as the driver towards marriage and children.  But in the West also, many marriages fail due to financial hardships.  And more than a few Western marriages are the result of the wish, by one or the other party, to benefit themselves financially, although this isn't often discussed in the western media

whereas in China there's an emphasis on education as a means to lift out of poverty.  It's therefore natural that someone who's making good money and an improved lifestyle would want similar contribution from a prospective spouse

aren't the basic aims the same though -- a wish to improve lifestyle and prospects?  Isn't that the reason millions of Chinese left their rural homes for the cities and the hopes of employment?  Haven't many Chinese gone on strike when factories closed down?  Aren't the proprietors of those factories required to provide monetary compensation for those forced into unemployment?  Isn't there legislation in China which compels factory owners to financially compensate those who they've forced into unemployment -- same as in the west (democracy)?  Isn't China repurposing many factories after their owners (Japanese for example) quit China?

Do we hear the truth about many aspects in China from western media?  Is it as bad in China as we've been told, taking into account the massive Chinese population and regions?

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:



Complete nonsense, as usual.  Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China.

You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government.
The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical.

The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.