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Reply #90 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:36pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:24pm:

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According to overseas media, the Chinese authorities are engaged in a new moral code, including ridding social media of effeminate boy-bands and the focus on cosmetic surgery, western fads and music, etc

As part of this push, the Chinese authorities urge their menfolk in particular to shape-up by going to gyms, etc. instead of the sedentary, computer and gaming lifestyle

In addition, the Chinese authorities are urging people to (a) marry and (b) produce two and more children. As incentive, the authorities provide extra paid time off work

The same overseas media claims the above measures stem from China's ageing populations which can only be supported by an enlarged younger population

Chinese singles counter this by claiming they can't afford to marry or have children. Those who already have one child claim they cannot afford to have more. Is this because children would impede their desire to achieve a western, materialistic lifestyle?

I watched a video from China in which a bride, in full western-style wedding regalia, abused her future spouse for not giving her a Mercedes as she'd asked. The groom, humiliated by this display before the entire wedding-party, countered by telling her that he simply could not afford to provide her the upmarket home she'd demanded, plus monetary gifts, plus the Mercedes -- something had to give, so instead of the Mercedes, he'd bought her an expensive new vehicle, but hadn't been able to stretch to the Mercedes

The groom's parents, uncles, etc. stood embarrassed as the bride lashed into him, told him he was a cheap-stake, unworthy, etc. Then she threw her wedding bouquet in his face and strutted away

the video went on to say that in addition to the bride's demands, the groom would also have been required to house and support her parents (and possibly his own, can't remember). All this stemmed from the one-child policy, said the video, which had in turn resulted in a scarcity of women -- which eventuated years later in unrealistic demands from the women of marriageable age. Most comments beneath the video were along the lines of, 'You had a lucky escape, mate'

In another video out of China, a very well-educated Chinese young woman filmed her attendance at a 'marriage mart', which we're told is a regular event in some places in China. She said her parents had continually nagged her to attend the marriage-market and finally, to please them, she'd attended and filmed some of it

she filmed herself sitting on a bench at the marriage market. Before her were copies of her 'credentials' including her education and career path. We in Australia would consider her a catch. One set of men's parents after another approached her and studied her credentials before inviting her to meet their son. She said she felt utterly humiliated but accepted the pragmatism of those who approached her -- they wanted their son to make a good match with a woman who'd be able to contribute financially in their son's life

she was an attractive young woman and she said she felt no need to marry as she could more than adequately provide for herself. Parental pressure pushed her to attend the function which was very well-attended by parents. Can't remember seeing any single men present although there might have been

but what does this say about the claim that Chinese despise democracy? Sure, in the West we promote romantic love as the driver towards marriage and children. But in the West also, many marriages fail due to financial hardships. And more than a few Western marriages are the result of the wish, by one or the other party, to benefit themselves financially, although this isn't often discussed in the western media

whereas in China there's an emphasis on education as a means to lift out of poverty. It's therefore natural that someone who's making good money and an improved lifestyle would want similar contribution from a prospective spouse

aren't the basic aims the same though -- a wish to improve lifestyle and prospects? Isn't that the reason millions of Chinese left their rural homes for the cities and the hopes of employment? Haven't many Chinese gone on strike when factories closed down? Aren't the proprietors of those factories required to provide monetary compensation for those forced into unemployment? Isn't there legislation in China which compels factory owners to financially compensate those who they've forced into unemployment -- same as in the west (democracy)? Isn't China repurposing many factories after their owners (Japanese for example) quit China?

Do we hear the truth about many aspects in China from western media? Is it as bad in China as we've been told, taking into account the massive Chinese population and regions?

China: The men who are single and the women who don't want kids

China's situation could be uniquely exacerbated given the number of men who are finding it difficult to find a wife in the first place, let alone think of starting a family.

After all, there is a severe gender imbalance in the country - last year, there were 34.9 million more males than females.
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Reply #91 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:38pm

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people.

And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy.

Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP.

The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong.
When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong.

Complete nonsense, as usual. Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China.

You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government.
The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical.

The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. Until then keep quiet.
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Reply #93 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:55pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:03pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

She told me that her father had retired by 60 and further questioning revealed her parents lived in a Chinese state-owned house which had 'belonged' to her grandparents and which had been handed down to her parents. The Chinese state allowed tenants to pass the houses down generationally and undertook whatever maintenance/repairs were necessary

I wonder what her father did as a day job.

A CCP official, I'd bet.

All property is owned by the CCP in China and is leased to the occupants.

From what she said, he, like her, was a public servant, minor league

She had some funny ideas

One of these involved male baldness. She said a bald man in China, like her father, was respected, because it meant he had worked his brain hard

She also believed that above Australia hovered a 'black hole' which condemned Aussies to fatal skin cancers

When I jotted a phone number down on the back of my hand, she threw a fit, claiming this would give me can-sah

She was extremely moral. For example, when our boss put a fatherly hand on her shoulder, she jumped away from him like a scalded cat, shouting, 'No touch!'. He cringed. Later, when he was gone, she said she'd been engaged in China. Throughout her engagement, her boyfriend was not allowed to physically touch her -- not when holding an umbrella over her while crossing a road, not ever, not even when she rode pillion on his scooter -- no physical touching at all

Her boyfriend went to Canada before she came to Australia. They planned to marry when they'd both returned to China. But after a while in Canada, he'd contacted her to say he'd met someone else. She was stoic, shrugged it off. No compromise in her regarding morality. And of course she chose to return to China of her own accord anyway

In China, her parents considered themselves well-off apparently. Her father after all had retired with his 'brainy' bald head. When she undertook to come to Australia, it was believed by her parents and their contemporaries that she was studying at an Australian university, studying 'computers'

she worked alongside me for almost a year, very nice kid, but her computer skills were restricted to playing around with those little cartoon things (forgotten their name) and using them in mock-up page headers. She wasn't stupid by any means. But reality dawned when she announced her parents were flying over from China to attend her 'graduation'

she was worried sick. Because she'd actually been attending a TAFE in Sydney. And instead of the apartment her parents believed they'd been funding for her, she had been hot-cotting with up to a dozen Chinese kids in a couple of rooms while they all had part-time jobs

So, she could not produce her 'apartment' or her 'university graduation' for her parents. The reason was that although her parents believed they'd been sending her adequate funds, by Australian standards it was a pittance

To save face for her parents, she hired the full graduation gown. I think one of her friends was roped-in to take video of the girl and her family in the quad of Sydney University. And she'd arranged for her parents to spend their time here (few days) in a borrowed apartment. She said the subterfuge would convince her parents her stay in Australia had been adequately funded and they would be proud of themselves and her

At her request, I wrote her a glowing reference re: her time with our employer. She said western references counted for a lot in China. She had zero skills in reality, but was sure the reference would not be closely scrutinized on her return to China. And whatever TAFE had provided her hadn't been worth her attendance, imo

anyway, although her father's lifetime employment by the Chinese state hadn't translated to wealth, it provided him respect (and his baldness helped, apparently). And he'd had his own or his wife's parents state-owned house, which would have been a massive saving compared to Aussie homeowners

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Re: CCP stooges: Chinese people despise democracy
Reply #94 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:56pm

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people.

And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy.

Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP.

The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong.
When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong.

Complete nonsense, as usual. Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China.

You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government.
The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical.

The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. Until then keep quiet.
Grin

Xi Ping Pongs wasn't democratically elected, cockwomble. Nor any of the previous CCP General secretaries whose were declared head of state not democratically but by the CCP.

But keep talking utter crap, that's your function here, Porthos.

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Reply #95 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 3:11pm

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When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know.

From what we hear, it's on the cards

The majority of commonwealth members are republics and it's almost certain there will be more

the Commonwealth of Nations is basically a club for mutual benefit

Queen Elizabeth pretty much forced/coerced members to make her son Charles the head of the commonwealth at one of those lavish dinners shown at the time on tv. Polite speech would insist she 'prevailed' upon them. But we saw it. She held the dinner guests over a barrel as an old and respected woman

She did the same when she declared her grandson Harry and his wife were to be heads of Commonwealth Youth (even though they were both 30 plus years old). Those titles seem to have faded into obscurity even though only a couple of years old -- no doubt due to the fact that Harry and his wife are universally mocked

So in a few years, the Commonwealth of Nations may well have an elected head who is not 'royal'. And there was something in the headlines in the past couple of days about William saying as much

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Re: CCP stooges: Chinese people despise democracy
Reply #96 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 4:22pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people.

And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy.

Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP.

The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

To be suspected is that Hong Kongers expected the West (their trusting beliefs in it) to come to their rescue. And we didn't. I understand why we didn't. But it must have been a bitter blow for Hong Kongers. And a lesson to be learned. A lesson brought to them by the CCP

Could be, but it would have been naive of them to think so.

Hong Kong is not like Taiwan. It was formally handed back to China (unfortunately) run by the CCP.

Of course the CCP was always going to break the deal. It murders its own people, why would it care about an international agreement?

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Reply #97 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 4:30pm

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:55pm:

From what she said, he, like her, was a public servant, minor league

She had some funny ideas

One of these involved male baldness. She said a bald man in China, like her father, was respected, because it meant he had worked his brain hard

She also believed that above Australia hovered a 'black hole' which condemned Aussies to fatal skin cancers

When I jotted a phone number down on the back of my hand, she threw a fit, claiming this would give me can-sah

She was extremely moral. For example, when our boss put a fatherly hand on her shoulder, she jumped away from him like a scalded cat, shouting, 'No touch!'. He cringed. Later, when he was gone, she said she'd been engaged in China. Throughout her engagement, her boyfriend was not allowed to physically touch her -- not when holding an umbrella over her while crossing a road, not ever, not even when she rode pillion on his scooter -- no physical touching at all

Her boyfriend went to Canada before she came to Australia. They planned to marry when they'd both returned to China. But after a while in Canada, he'd contacted her to say he'd met someone else. She was stoic, shrugged it off. No compromise in her regarding morality. And of course she chose to return to China of her own accord anyway

In China, her parents considered themselves well-off apparently. Her father after all had retired with his 'brainy' bald head. When she undertook to come to Australia, it was believed by her parents and their contemporaries that she was studying at an Australian university, studying 'computers'

she worked alongside me for almost a year, very nice kid, but her computer skills were restricted to playing around with those little cartoon things (forgotten their name) and using them in mock-up page headers. She wasn't stupid by any means. But reality dawned when she announced her parents were flying over from China to attend her 'graduation'

she was worried sick. Because she'd actually been attending a TAFE in Sydney. And instead of the apartment her parents believed they'd been funding for her, she had been hot-cotting with up to a dozen Chinese kids in a couple of rooms while they all had part-time jobs

So, she could not produce her 'apartment' or her 'university graduation' for her parents. The reason was that although her parents believed they'd been sending her adequate funds, by Australian standards it was a pittance

To save face for her parents, she hired the full graduation gown. I think one of her friends was roped-in to take video of the girl and her family in the quad of Sydney University. And she'd arranged for her parents to spend their time here (few days) in a borrowed apartment. She said the subterfuge would convince her parents her stay in Australia had been adequately funded and they would be proud of themselves and her

At her request, I wrote her a glowing reference re: her time with our employer. She said western references counted for a lot in China. She had zero skills in reality, but was sure the reference would not be closely scrutinized on her return to China. And whatever TAFE had provided her hadn't been worth her attendance, imo

anyway, although her father's lifetime employment by the Chinese state hadn't translated to wealth, it provided him respect (and his baldness helped, apparently). And he'd had his own or his wife's parents state-owned house, which would have been a massive saving compared to Aussie homeowners

Yep. I believe every word of that.

Superstitious to the point of ridiculous. Obsessed with saving face to the point where, so long as it looked like she graduated, then she did.

Truth or lies are of no relevance; so long as it looks correct and saves face.

The scary thing is that the same goes for those who get 'medical degrees' in China, such that their universities churn out witchdoctors.

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Reply #99 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 10:14pm

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:56pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:38pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:30pm:

athos wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 1:49pm:

You have to wonder about the claim that Chinese people despise democracy when they will produce anti-CCP material from Australia and elsewhere, particularly when they would/should be aware reprisals will be the result. Those who produce anti-CCP material once they're safely elsewhere must harbour intense hatred of the CCP which sort of contradicts the claim Chinese despise democracy (so called) which provides them the ability to produce anti-CCP material at the cost of their China-bound family's lives

There is nothing cowardly about the Chinese people.

And they are more than capable of appreciating, managing and defending democracy.

Have a think about the courage of Hong Kongers standing in defense of their democracy; no Australian has had to defend democracy in our own country the way the Hong Kongers did, even though they must have known they'd eventually be mown down by the CCP.

The Taiwanese will be ferocious in their defense of Taiwan.

The fact is that during the British colonial occupation, Hong Kong did not have democracy. After the liberation of Hong Kong, China allowed free elections and democracy in Hong Kong.
When you are allowed to democratically elect your head of state, let me know. Of course, you must first liberate Australia from British occupation as we liberated Hong Kong.

Complete nonsense, as usual. Honkers was much more democratic under British rule than under Chinese rule (too obvious). Taiwan is much more democratic than China.

You do NOT need - do not WANT - an elected head of state, you just need an elected head of government.
The state, and the head of state, must remain apolitical.

The Sovereign is a personification of the nation, a symbol, not a political power. That is why the most advanced, politically stable and riches democracies are constitutional monarchies with well-loved (because apolitical) sovereigns as the heads of state: UK, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know. Until then keep quiet.
Grin

Xi Ping Pongs wasn't democratically elected, cockwomble. Nor any of the previous CCP General secretaries whose were declared head of state not democratically but by the CCP.

But keep talking utter crap, that's your function here, Porthos.

Well....................... sadly ........................ our PM is not elected either - he is the party's choice....

No difference and really we can do much better...... Let The People Decide!!

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Reply #101 - Mar 29^th, 2022 at 10:23pm

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Everyone concerned knew the date of UK departure was imminent

Hongkongers were invited by the UK to move to the UK if they wanted. So they had options

Some did move to the UK from HongKong

Others declined the offer because they believed they'd be better off in Hongkong

as it turned out, many were/are not

but they can still take up the UKs offer if they choose, far as I know

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Reply #102 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 9:22am

PZ547 wrote on Mar 29^th, 2022 at 3:11pm:

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When Britain and it's colonies Canada, Australia and so on can democratically elect their head of state, as others do, let me know.

From what we hear, it's on the cards

The majority of commonwealth members are republics and it's almost certain there will be more

the Commonwealth of Nations is basically a club for mutual benefit

Queen Elizabeth pretty much forced/coerced members to make her son Charles the head of the commonwealth at one of those lavish dinners shown at the time on tv. Polite speech would insist she 'prevailed' upon them. But we saw it. She held the dinner guests over a barrel as an old and respected woman

She did the same when she declared her grandson Harry and his wife were to be heads of Commonwealth Youth (even though they were both 30 plus years old). Those titles seem to have faded into obscurity even though only a couple of years old -- no doubt due to the fact that Harry and his wife are universally mocked

So in a few years, the Commonwealth of Nations may well have an elected head who is not 'royal'. And there was something in the headlines in the past couple of days about William saying as much

The Commonwealth is a new name for the modified British Empire.

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