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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6389 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #270 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 8:51am Ukrainian tank blown up while refuelling Diesel in Melitopol
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Jim Lahey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2447 Lisa's Merc Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #271 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:35am Imagine being so subservient that you have to post CCP propaganda just to be allowed on the internet
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #272 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:47am athos' information is imparted through psychic means and something even less reliable: rt.com
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Reply #273 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:09am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 25^th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

No. Putin has grossly underestimated world opinion.

Yes, even the Chinese would prefer a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But China recognizes the US refusal to accommodate Russian concerns about the Eastward expansion of NATO, an obsolete Cold War hangover.

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But worse, he has grossly underestimated Russian opinion.

In so far as 'Russian opinion' is a unity.

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A good lesson for what the CCP will face if it considers attempting the same with the independent nation of Taiwan.

Er...the vast majority of Chinese people consider Taiwan is part of China.

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Cold-war era politics is over.

Yet the US is desperately trying to revive it, with its "China threat" theory.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12129 Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #274 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:13am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 25^th, 2022 at 7:03pm: Imagine a China with no need to prostitute yourself for access to, say, youtube, or this forum. Imagine a US with no need to revert to Cold War tactics via its ideological "china threat" theory.
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Reply #275 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:23am

Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:35am:

Imagine being so subservient that you have to post CCP propaganda just to be allowed on the internet

Imagine being so ideologically blind you consider that the US-hegemony-led 'rules based system' can be anything remotely like a genuine international rules based system.

Or that a global political/economic system infected by Conservative RW ideology often expressed as "the world doesn't owe you a living" can engender anything other than ongoing chaos- internal and external - in the world.

"it's the economy, stupid".

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Online Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12129 Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #276 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:29am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 25^th, 2022 at 7:49pm: Xi jinping is a blood thirsty dictator If you compare the number of deaths in wars since WW2 caused by elected US presidents, you will see who have the most blood on their hands.
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Reply #277 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:33am

athos wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 8:47am:

Ukraine proposed talks, then ‘disappeared’

Kiev first agreed to talks with Russia, then went silent and placed artillery amid civilians, the Kremlin claims
Ukraine proposed talks, then ‘disappeared’ – Kremlin
Ukraine had agreed to negotiate with Russia, picking the Polish capital of Warsaw as the site for talks, then “ghosted” Moscow as it began deploying rocket artillery inside civilian neighborhoods of major cities, the Kremlin claimed on Friday.
https://www.rt.com/russia/550655-ukraine-operation-peace-talks-disappeared/

President Volodymyr Zelensky said early in the day he was willing to talk with Russia to stop the “invasion” of Ukraine. The Kremlin had communicated Russia’s terms for ending the military operation aimed at “demilitarizing and denazifying” Kiev.

“The Ukrainian side said it had reconsidered the idea of holding talks in Minsk, chose Warsaw instead, and then disappeared,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Friday evening.
Putin tells Ukrainian military to ‘take power into their hands’
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Putin tells Ukrainian military to ‘take power into their hands’

Peskov pointed out that the sudden pause came as “nationalist elements” began deploying multiple rocket launcher systems in residential areas of major Ukrainian cities, which Russia warned could lead to civilian casualties that Moscow has been trying to avoid.

Excuse I, Athos, I'm curious. Are you blaming the Ukraine for this?

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Reply #278 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:36am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 25^th, 2022 at 7:03pm:

Imagine a China with no need to prostitute yourself for access to, say, youtube, or this forum.

Imagine a US with no need to revert to Cold War tactics via its ideological "china threat" theory.

So you admit to prostituting yourself for access to a VPN, then.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11235 Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #279 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:37am All wumao and little pinks have been instructed by the CCP to respond to and attack anti-Russian posts.
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Reply #280 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:40am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:23am:

Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:35am:

Imagine being so subservient that you have to post CCP propaganda just to be allowed on the internet

Imagine being so ideologically blind you consider that the US-hegemony-led 'rules based system' can be anything remotely like a genuine international rules based system.

Or that a global political/economic system infected by Conservative RW ideology often expressed as "the world doesn't owe you a living" can engender anything other than ongoing chaos- internal and external - in the world.

"it's the economy, stupid".

It's not genuine. Watching the Russian bombing of the Ukraine was reminiscent of another recent invasion of a sovereign nation: the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Does that defend Putin invading a country of 44 million people with no justification whatsoever?

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Reply #281 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:54am

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:40am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:23am:

Jim Lahey wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:35am:

Imagine being so subservient that you have to post CCP propaganda just to be allowed on the internet

Imagine being so ideologically blind you consider that the US-hegemony-led 'rules based system' can be anything remotely like a genuine international rules based system.

Or that a global political/economic system infected by Conservative RW ideology often expressed as "the world doesn't owe you a living" can engender anything other than ongoing chaos- internal and external - in the world.

"it's the economy, stupid".

It's not genuine. Watching the Russian bombing of the Ukraine was reminiscent of another recent invasion of a sovereign nation: the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Does that defend Putin invading a country of 44 million people with no justification whatsoever?

Unfortunately the USA set the precedents for this:

Grenada, Panama, Afghanistan 2001 and Iraq 2003.

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Reply #282 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 12:08pm

Mattyfisk wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:40am:

It's not genuine. Watching the Russian bombing of the Ukraine was reminiscent of another recent invasion of a sovereign nation: the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Exactly. The 'rules based system' the West bang on about is ideological BS.

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Does that defend Putin invading a country of 44 million people with no justification whatsoever?

No, though in HIS mind the justification is NATO's eastern expansion, which he sees as based on Cold War ideology. (Putin wanted to join NATO soon after the restoration of democracy in Russia).

Just shows the need for a genuine international rules -based system.

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Reply #283 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 12:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 11:37am:

All wumao and little pinks have been instructed by the CCP to respond to and attack anti-Russian posts.

No. But certainly rational free-thinkers are keen to expose your blind 'survival of the fittest'/ 'everyman for himself' evil ideology.

Expressed so tellingly by that stupid woman Judith Sloane who claims to be an economist; "the world doesn't owe you a living".

No doubt she has never suckled an infant...

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Reply #284 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 12:15pm

If the US were to re-start its oil and gas production that flourished under President Trump, that would be one way to devalue Putin’s money pump for an economy that is anaemic. Instead captured by the ‘green new deal’ Biden stopped oil and gas exploration, banned the Keystone pipeline and made the US energy-dependent.

Since Biden has been in office according to the US Energy Information Association (EIA), Russia has become the third largest provider of oil to the US at an average of over 600,000 b/d from January to November 2021. It’s an external pressure point with internal consequences for the filthy rich Putin. One of the worst decisions of any EU leader was when former German Chancellor Angela Merkel ditched nuclear energy and made her country dependent on Putin’s gas. Putin knows in the face of disastrous domestic politics at home, the shambles that was the Afghan withdrawal, Biden is vulnerable. How we got here is bit by bit. It’s not even a KGB secret. Given this, it doesn’t take much imagination to guess what Chinese President Xi Jinping is thinking.
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