MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 5:13pm:



What? Like Germany? Your assumption is nonsense. Try thinking for a change, rather than always have the reaction of a 12 year old. All the ex Warsaw Pact/CommEcon countries are in the EU. Trading with Russia but being no military staging grounds would be enough for them and for Russia. Like Germany (under whose influence they really are), they are happy to be a bridge between Russia and Western Europe/North America - which is what they geopolitically are.



A buffer zone between NATO and Russia would have been the sensible way. The Ukraine is threatened only because NATO is on its western borders AND it is in active negotiations about joining it. This is obviously intolerable for Russia (unless Russia also joined NATO, which is unthinkable and would be absolutely intolerable for China and N Korea, both nuclear armed.

In any case, Sweden has two NATO neighbours, South and West but doesn't come under Russian influence. Ditto with Finland.  Austria and Switzerland were always between Nato and the WP and never came under Russian influence. Russia wants its sphere of influence/buffer zone. To dismiss that out of hand is not diplomatic.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/diplomatic-efforts-continue-at-fever-pace-as-ukrai...

Valentyna Konstantynovska, 79 years-old, holds a weapon during basic combat training for civilians, organized by the Special Forces Unit Azov, of Ukraine's National Guard, in Mariupol, Donetsk region, eastern Ukraine, February 13, 2022. (AP Photo/ Vadim Ghirda)

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 9:05pm:

Exactly.

Which is why the ex-Warsaw Pact nations needed membership in NATO (which includes the US) to ensure the Russians wouldn't be back, given an attack on one is an attack on all.

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 9:40pm:



England went to war over Poland in 1939 but times have changed.

Biden has already said that he won't send in
US military troops to help Ukraine.
He's basically telling Putin to go in.

Yes - I don't think the USA would help
Latvia or Bulgaria or Romania if they are next.
NATO members such as France and the UK might.
Germany is full of pacifists and homosexuals -
they won't do anything.

The USSR (Rus-Soviet) emerged to extend its Republic of Military and Political dominance under the system of Communism and that extension was also into Asia. Where, besides forcing China to take on Communism, stole much land from China in the process. China had no choice but to 'submit'.
Quickly, the White-Rus-Soviet colonisation of the far eastern Siberian lands began. Cities evolved, gulags, massive military installations, resource minings and more. The 'White' man was moving into Asia to face the North American threat across the Berring Sea.
When the USA was in Korea (War) General Macarthur's famous quote "We are here to kick the yellow mongol out of Asia" (and send them where? ). This confirmed the Cold War was a default war to turn the entire Northern Hemisphere 'all white' and send the darkies 'down under' into the Southern - YIN/YANG.
The belief that the Brownies would be kicked out of the Middle-East and sent to Australia and the Yellows would join their Polynesian cousins in Oceania.
Don't laugh - this was real.

...but there was one flaw. The whole thing itself.

Now the USSR 'failed' and fell. White Rus-Soviets have abandoned the East and Siberia, scurrying back towards Europe. Putin can't even give away property, buildings, vast lands and more for FREE to his whitey people 'out there'. Instead, the Chinese people and Mongolians are moving back in. 500,000 Chinese now live across the border exploiting Russian lands, many in military uniform. Vladivostok - once the pride of the USSR is a rusted out ghost of its former self. Subs, ships and more are derelict, unused and rusting away.

Russia can not afford to be like the USSR was. Putin is just not strong enough to replicate a 'renaissance' although currently he is bluffing that he can.

When the USSR collapsed from Communism to Capitalism - it was a great betrayal to China. 10 years ago Europe pressured Russia to choose to be Pro-European or remain Pro-Asian. Russia is now caught between a rock and a hard place. Like Ernest Hemingway - "They went out too far." and came back with but skin and bone.

Of course, Russia the capitalist 'gangland nation' where 40% of its women are now all single-mothers and murder over a pair of levi jeans is common and every driver is drunk. The country has gone down the gurgler and Putin is DESPERATE - for Europe is not and the Ukraine's only fault is not joining NATO... Russia would be stuffed if it did so tomorrow.

Russia will capitulate to Europe - it is afterall, European more than it is 'Asian' in regards to the far 'Yellow' Asia.
That's when China will turn on Russia, and its ally India.

When it comes to Master Plans, colonisations, etc - you could say that the Yellow Race in Asia has stepped up and about to teach both European and Black Indian that the Yellow Man is the rightful 'mass production' race in Asia.
In other words, you are welcome, but not to replace us as we are here. Fair enough.

So I'm looking forward to seeing the so-called two baddies cancel each other out in the Sino-v-Russo War... as predicted. There is no other way, especially when there is a far greater and more productive 'Plan' than the silly YIN/YANG one they tried to turn the world into.

Don't expect the Media to tell you all this - it would spoil the fun, now wouldn't it.

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Ukraine may have something of importance which Russia and the US need? I'm thinking the usual stuff  Eg minerals/oil/geographic strategic position/base.

That could explain the real agenda behind the US vs Russia tug of war.

IF that's the case then war could very well be on the agenda.

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 14^th, 2022 at 10:03pm:

Like Australia wouldn't help Timor until it got a slice of the Diamond action.
The pressure is on Ukraine to join NATO (rest of Europe) or submit again to Russian retro.