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Russia will not invade Ukraine
Feb 9th, 2022 at 9:14pm
 
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 9th, 2022 at 10:14pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2022 at 9:14pm:


Beside Valkie?
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Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2022 at 7:29am
 
Two-thirds of Americans cannot find Ukraine on a map, according to a new survey, as the US prepares for a confrontation with Russia over the future of the former Soviet nation and urges Americans to leave as soon as possible.

In the same survey of over 2,000 Americans published on Wednesday EST, more than a quarter of respondents could not identify the US’s old cold war adversary, Russia, the world’s largest nation by land mass.

“Many US voters are getting a brush-up on Eastern European geography as Russian troops surround Ukraine on three sides and the Kremlin demands Western security concessions in exchange for backing down,” said Matthew Kendrick, an analyst at Morning Consult, the polling company.

“God created war so Americans would learn geography,” he added, referring to an apocryphal quip by American author Mark Twain.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/most-americans-cant-place-ukraine-on-map-survey/news-story/2cc3fca85cb0d59fb15c47bd59ae5b98


I wonder what proportion of Australians could point out Ukraine or Russia on the map.

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Reply #3 - Feb 12th, 2022 at 9:27pm
 
Just watching the final episode of Band of Brothers DVD.  Always struck by the sheer waste of war despite the good men in it.

Every time some little jackass of a petty and small-minded tyrant wants to beat his chest, people die.

Putin is just the next one, he and Xi.

Why not just trade and make profit with Ukraine, dick-head?
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Reply #4 - Feb 13th, 2022 at 8:16am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 11th, 2022 at 7:29am:
I wonder what proportion of Australians could point out Ukraine or Russia on the map.



That proportion will be higher than America ...
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2022 at 8:17am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Feb 9th, 2022 at 10:14pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 9th, 2022 at 9:14pm:


Beside Valkie?


Valkie/Mechanic doesn't think really ... unless amoebas "think" ...
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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2022 at 9:51am
 
Let's see what the next few weeks bring.

Are the Russians / Putin:

(A) Posturing for better terms from NATO
(B) Intending to make minor incursions in Ukraine to up the ante against NATO
(C) Intending to invade and annex a part of Ukraine to be a buffer against NATO states
(D) Intending to invade and occupy/annex Ukraine as a warning against any other nation joining NATO
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Reply #7 - Feb 13th, 2022 at 6:21pm
 
Date of Russian ‘invasion’ announced by Bloomberg


US officials have predicted an imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine, but Bloomberg claims to know the precise date


“Any action could start as soon as Tuesday,” Bloomberg reported on Friday afternoon, citing “officials familiar with the matter.” The news site noted that “action” could range from “causing a provocation in the Donbas region” to an assault on the Ukrainian capital of Kiev.

https://www.rt.com/russia/549115-russia-invade-ukraine-bloomberg/
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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 2:25pm
 
Russian Ambassador on the conflict with the West
"We don't give a sh!t about all your sanctions"

One of the West's leverages in the confrontation with Russia is severe sanctions against Moscow in the event of an attack on Ukraine. This does not impress the Russian ambassador in Sweden.
02/13/2022, 1:51 p.m

In an interview with the Aftonbladet newspaper published late on Saturday evening, ambassador Viktor Tatarintsev said: "Excuse my language, but we don't give a sh!t about all your sanctions."

https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/russischer-botschafter-zum-konflikt-mit-dem-weste...



Does Vladimir Putin intend to invade Ukraine? Or are his troop manoeuvres just a game — another test of the West’s resolve? If the former, he will win: British troops (and citizens) have been told to leave Ukraine in the event of conflict and no one doubts that the estimated 130,000 Russian forces could succeed in their objective. So the first major land war in Europe since World War II would end in an easy victory for Russia.  “My guess is he will move in,” Joe Biden said last week, as if he were a casual observer. Families of US diplomats in Ukraine have been ordered to leave the country

But even if it's a bluff, Putin can count the past few weeks a success. He has established that no western country has any desire to respond to a blatant threat to a sovereign state with military action. He also has succeeded in showing the West cannot even agree on a course of threatened sanctions if he did move. Never has Nato looked so frayed - or western governments been so divided over the issue of a military threat from the East.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-putin-wins



Any wonder?  The US Military's recruitment video:

A little girl raised by two moms....


Compare and contrast:




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Reply #9 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 2:38pm
 
It's all on - only 3 days to go.


https://sputniknews.com/20220214/us-getting-ready-to-withdraw-all-of-its-personn...


US Getting Ready to Withdraw All of Its Personnel
From Kiev Within 24-48 Hours - Reports



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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 2:46pm
 
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/11/investing/dow-stock-market-today-russia-ukrai...


"Stock traders quickly hit the 'sell button'


after reports that the US expects Russia to move forward with invading Ukraine," said Edward Moya, senior market analyst with OANDA, in a report Friday. "A period of calm was somewhat expected regarding the Ukraine situation but that does not seem to be the case anymore."
In its warning that Americans should leave Ukraine, the White House also indicated that Russia could launch air strikes before the Winter Olympics in Beijing end later this month.
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Reply #11 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 2:56pm
 
Putin's Waited 30 Years to Sort Out Ukraine

BY DAVID P. GOLDMAN JAN 25, 2022 8:52 AM ET
   

“Ukraine’s induction into the Western alliance system would mean that the US missiles could hit Moscow in 5 minutes, rendering Russian air defence systems ineffectual and obsolete,” writes former top Indian diplomat M.K. Bhadrakumar in his blog. Since 1991, when the U.S. and Germany assured Gorbachev that NATO would NOT expand eastward if Russia agreed to German unification, Russia has believed that the West betrayed a solemn commitment by pushing NATO towards Russia’s border (this is disputed by most U.S. sources).

Russia thinks in terms of firepower and facts on the ground. Putin has spent the past dozen years turning Russia’s armed forces into a well-armed, efficient instrument (it took less than 24 hours to put Russia’s 6th Airborne into Kazakhstan and just three days to kill everyone who didn’t like it). He’s lurked in the tall grass waiting for an opportunity to settle accounts.

Why now? Because he can. U.S. sanctions mean less than they did in the past because China wants as much overland energy supply as it can get (in a scrap, the U.S. Navy could interdict tanker supply from the Persian Gulf). China and Russia are joined at the hip in high-tech (Huawei has a huge presence there). The specter of a Russian-Chinese alliance spooks the West, with good reason.

The Europeans don’t want a fight with Russia. When Germany’s equivalent of the secretary of the Navy, Admiral Schoenbach, said last week that Putin “deserves respect,” he was forced to resign, but he spoke for the overwhelming majority of Germans.

NATO is weak, China is ascendant, and the U.S. is confused; Russia is well-armed and prepared. That’s why Putin is making his move now.

The liberal internationalists in the Biden administration want to continue the Clintonian folly of expanding NATO to include countries that we can’t defend. Three years ago Prof. Walter McDougall of the University of Pennsylvania excoriated this exercise. Why do we do this? To defend the brave little democracy in Ukraine against totalitarian oppression? Puh-leeze. The Kiev kleptocracy is an embarrassment to itself as well as everyone else. Since the Soviet Union fell, the White Whale of the liberal internationalists (like Antony Blinken) and neocons (like Undersecretary of State Victoria Nuland) has been to export democracy to Russia. The regime-change fantasy has dominated U.S. policy since we sponsored the 2004 “Orange Revolution” in Ukraine, through the 2014 Maidan Square coup.
https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2022/01/25/putins-waited-30-years-to-sort-out-ukrai...

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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 3:09pm
 
Good post Frank.

Is this WW3 - is it the final battle of the End Times?
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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 4:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 14th, 2022 at 3:09pm:
Good post Frank.

Is this WW3 - is it the final battle of the End Times?


Not to save Ukraine from Russia. France, Germany, the US and GB don't honestly care.

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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2022 at 4:35pm
 
Expanding NATO across Eastern Europe was a mistake. They should have made them all militarily neutral, like Switzerland, Austria, Sweden and Finland.

Expansion of NATO:

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