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Reply #570 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

athos wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 6:08am:

JC Denton wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2022 at 11:01pm:

might want to get your clock readjusted re: the pronouncement in this thread title guys

Of course not. The topic is completely legitimate, since Russia did not invade Ukraine, but is conducting a special military operation to liberate Ukraine from NATO occupation and its Nazi elements.

A dickhead like you was kicked out of Q&A last night:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-03/stan-grant-tells-audience-member-to-leave...

I saw that, but I still don't understand why Stan Grant said the audience member was "advocating violence"(which is why Grant said he ejected him).

The audience member said 13000 people had been killed in Donbas since 2014, which is accepted as true by the UN.

Can anyone say how the audience member was "advocating violence"?

Yes.

The audience member said he supported what Russia was doing.

"Believe it or not, there are a lot of Russians here and around the world that support what Putin is doing in the Ukraine, myself included."

That's advocating violence/murder.

It's his view, he's free to say it. The show's called Q&A, not Follow Dear Leader's Script.

Stan Grant should apply for a job on Truth Social.

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #572 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 9:31am:

Stan handled that quite well.

Shame about the Russian kid in the audience who's been brainwashed - I trust he'll be sent home.

Can you explain how that kid was "advocating violence"?

Stan said "people were dying", but I don't see how the kid who pointed out that 13,000 people (all Russians?) had been killed in Donbas since 2014, is "advocating violence" just because he was supporting the Russian view of the invasion as a liberation of Russians living in Ukraine.

Stan adopted the roll of judge and jury, which he is not entitled to do.

You're concentrating on the wrong part of the conversation.

The audience member said:

"Believe it or not, there are a lot of Russians here and around the world that support what Putin is doing in the Ukraine, myself included."

And Stan said:

"Sasha, people here have been talking about family who are suffering and people who are dying.

"You supported what's happening, hearing that people are dying. Can I just say — I'm just not comfortable with you being here. Could you please leave?"

"You can ask a question, but we cannot advocate violence. I should have asked you to leave then. It's been playing on my mind and, I'm sorry, but I have to ask you to leave."

Stan handled it well, and did the right thing.

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #573 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:12pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Wow - so the claim is that 13000 Russian people have been killed by the Ukrainians? What a story that nobody has heard until now....

The persecution of the Sudeten Germans and the Ukrainian provocation must be stopped!!!!!

What an absolute load of bullshit.

Exactly. Q&A have every right to evict hecklers and interrupters. They have no right to throw out those who ask questions and calmly await answers.

Stan did the right thing to correct him - perfect. Throwing him out was ridiculous. Russians pay taxes too, no?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95293 Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #574 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:16pm It's not Stan Grant's job as Q&A host to be comfortable, Greggery. The whole point of Q&A is that people aska da hard questions. Watch Russians call the ABC Pravda, you'll see. Stan came out looking like the Thought Police, it was embarrassing and unnecessary.
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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #575 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:22pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

It's not Stan Grant's job as Q&A host to be comfortable, Greggery. The whole point of Q&A is that people aska da hard questions.

Watch Russians call the ABC Pravda, you'll see.

Stan came out looking like the Thought Police, it was embarrassing and unnecessary.

I lost respect for Stan Grant after his interview Liu Xin (one of the CCP's mouthpieces on CGTN).

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #576 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:22pm

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 1:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2022 at 10:45pm:

Right, so you don't support the invasion, and you don't support the Ukraine defending the invasion.

That's a lose-lose, no?

The loss is the the loss of innocent life when armies start firing at one another in modern civilian-based war arenas. Should have finally been criminalized in 1946.

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So I'm curious. How to give everybody what they want?

I've spent hours patiently explaining it to Frank, but
deluded "freedom" ideologues like yourself are slow learners. Hopefully your own children aren't in the firing line.

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If we took away said veto,

....the UNSC would speak with one voice, to maintain the rulings of an ICJ dedicated to upholding the UNUDHR ie, by majority vote of the permanent members, just as a majority vote of justices in a nation's own Supreme Court is the foundation of rule of law in the nation; individual nations would NOT be free to wage war on the basis of the obsolete concept of national sovereignty.

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Putin would be in the Hague, in a cell next to Bush. That, dear, won't happen, as every schoolboy knows.

Both of them, being free from the burden of maintaining national "security" vis a vis other nations, would only be involved in engendering sustainable prosperity in their own nations.

Sorry, Great, I'm confused. Are you complaining about Ukrainian soldiers murdering innocent Russian troops?

Complaining about (dis-)organized mass murder by all and sundry? YES.

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You may have patiently told the old boy, but I haven't seen your explanation. Did you catch the news about the Russian invasion?

Boring.... more avoidable mass murder - old as recorded history itself; meanwhile listening to deluded media "freedom" ideologues frantically exploiting every individual tragedy for its impact is disgusting and sick, as to be expected.....exhibiting the "human psychosis", which biologist Jeremy Griffiths points out is the result of an unconscious conflict - specific to humans - between instinct-guided behaviour, and behaviour directed by conscious awareness of the desires of self and others.

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Cheers

Yes..hopefully your children aren't in the firing line.

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #577 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:35pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 1:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 9:19am:

Ridiculous. All he did was ask a question. No violence at all. Cunning, no?

I'm still waiting for someone to explain how the audience member "advocated violence". Grant exercising his wannabe-dictator fantasies?

Still, Grant shares your views on China's consensus one- party meritocracy..calls it tyranny, a bit rich coming from a boof-head and a wannabe tyrant.

This is nothing new. The non-Anglo community has been prosecuted in Australia for a long time. Anyone who dared to speak directly about it would be harassed by the federal and local police because only the Anglo-American colonial narrative was allowed to be heard in that British colony.
The best example of this is this one.

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #578 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:10pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 9:31am:

Stan handled that quite well.

Shame about the Russian kid in the audience who's been brainwashed - I trust he'll be sent home.

Can you explain how that kid was "advocating violence"?

Stan said "people were dying", but I don't see how the kid who pointed out that 13,000 people (all Russians?) had been killed in Donbas since 2014, is "advocating violence" just because he was supporting the Russian view of the invasion as a liberation of Russians living in Ukraine.

Stan adopted the roll of judge and jury, which he is not entitled to do.

You're concentrating on the wrong part of the conversation.

The audience member said:

"Believe it or not, there are a lot of Russians here and around the world that support what Putin is doing in the Ukraine, myself included."

And Stan said:

"Sasha, people here have been talking about family who are suffering and people who are dying.

"You supported what's happening, hearing that people are dying. Can I just say — I'm just not comfortable with you being here. Could you please leave?"

"You can ask a question, but we cannot advocate violence. I should have asked you to leave then. It's been playing on my mind and, I'm sorry, but I have to ask you to leave."

Stan handled it well, and did the right thing.

Ah, understood.

Russians killed by Ukrainians in Donbas since 2014, is no excuse for Russians killing Ukranians now, so our genius Grant took the 'correct' decision.

This is the same Grant who on a previous Q&A was practically imploring a panel member to go to war with China over Taiwan.

He should stick to reporting the news, not analyzing it.

Anyone for a UNSC without veto.....?

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #579 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

It's not Stan Grant's job as Q&A host to be comfortable, Greggery. The whole point of Q&A is that people aska da hard questions.

Watch Russians call the ABC Pravda, you'll see.

Stan came out looking like the Thought Police, it was embarrassing and unnecessary.

I lost respect for Stan Grant after his interview Liu Xin (one of the CCP's mouthpieces on CGTN).

What?

Wasn't Grant - who wants Oz to go to war over Taiwan - anti-CCP enough for you?

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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #580 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:50pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Wow - so the claim is that 13000 Russian people have been killed by the Ukrainians? What a story that nobody has heard until now....

Well, how many of that 13,000 killed in Bonbas since 2014, when a pro-NATO government was elected in Ukraine (confirmed by the UN), were Russians?

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The persecution of the Sudeten Germans and the Ukrainian provocation must be stopped!!!!!

What an absolute load of bullshit.

Yes, well.... an ICJ backed by a UNSC without veto should be the arbiter of such things.

Leaders of 'sovereign' states have always proved incapable of dealing with such issues without resort to war.

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Reply #581 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:53pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 4^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

Wow - so the claim is that 13000 Russian people have been killed by the Ukrainians? What a story that nobody has heard until now....

The persecution of the Sudeten Germans and the Ukrainian provocation must be stopped!!!!!

What an absolute load of bullshit.

Ukrainian forces captured by DPR were brought to see their crimes and pay tribute to the "Allley Angels" in Donetsk,
where thousands of Russian children were killed in their homes, kindergartens and schools.

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athos Gold Member Offline Re-educate barbarians Posts: 6396 Hong Kong Gender:	Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine Reply #584 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 3:04pm Great respect to Russia for continuing to fight bravely against Ukrainian Nazi terrorism. Russia is the last hope to save the world from Anglo-Khazar globalist Banksters.
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