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Karnal
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I see. So you don't support populations voting in their governments. You support other countries' governments invading them and divvying up the spoils.
No worries, Great, I'm glad you got that off your chest. It's good to see some honesty here for a change.
But you're going to have an uphill battle convincing any of the members here. This is an Australian politics site. By definition, members here believe in electing their leaders and solving national problems by a process of "vetocracy" as you call it.
Members who don't support this usually end up having hissy fits and heading off to Stormfront.
We've seen it all before, dear. Been there, done that. The only way you can debate a political issue here, and I'd suggest most of Australia, is via reference to the ballot box. It's just who we are.
Sure, plenty of people here enjoy a jolly dictator, but they're forced to feign reverence to the democratic process. Take Trump, plenty of members wanted to see him stay in power and overturn the US constitution in the process, but they had to pretend votes were switched, so unfair. They had to buy into a ridiculous fake news conspiracy to stand by their man, and in doing so, of course, lose all credibility. A number of them left, the rest just stopped talking - what, after all, was left for them to say? Trump was voted out, as everybody knows.
That's how we go here, dear. We're Aussies. We don't all have passports and plenty of us flew here, but I can guarantee you this: we all believe in vetocracy as you call it, all of us.
If an idiot like Mr Abbott comes to power via the political process, we all whinge and complain, but we deal with it, we accept it. We keep calm and carry on.
We then vote him out at the next election. Do you see? That's how we go. We don't lobby China to invade us and put a new boss in, we bide our time. I guarantee you, every Australian party, from the Socialist Alternative to the Greens to the Nats and One Nation hold the same view. Every political group, from Trotskyists to monarchists, share a belief in what you call vetocracy. Anarchists, syndicalists, communists, unionists, capitalists, libertarians, protectionists, the lot.
Alas, Great, you've just outed yourself as anti-democratic. It's very brave, but with the exception of Athos, it won't win you any friends. After all, what can we say? Your ultimate solution to all political solutions comes down to who has the most guns.
All political chit-chat, all ethics are rendered useless. Any solution you propose can only be tactical, or left up to the Party, or a question for administrators. In the end, all is mathematical - who, on the battlefield, has the most guns.
Most brave, dear. Here, on the Ukraine, you've shown that you can only discuss one country's politics in reference to the geopolitical interests of another. This shows you have no real interest in local problems or solutions, just deference to foreign imperial power.
This is not a position I would like to find myself in, Great. Most members here would tell fibs rather than admit to that.
Take Athos, he won't even tell us where he's from. He won't acknowledge his nationality because he knows it would reveal his position - as Meister puts it, his status as a bot.
Meister is right. If you don't accept democratic solutions to political problems, all you can ever be is an agent of propaganda. After all, for better or worse, we come here to exchange views and solve problems. Anyone with an agenda is going to be caught out pretty quick. If you're just hawking the message of the CCP, you're no more than a robot.
I'm not sure if this is an Anglo perspective as Athos puts it. It's definitely an Australian political view - a multicultural view. All races, faiths and creeds respect it.
People in Australia are generally free to share their respective cultures and lobby their cultural constituencies, but selling the imperialist agendas of other countries is not a good look.
At best, it renders you a mindless bot. At worst, a complete and utter khunt.
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