Karnal wrote on Mar 5
th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
But you're going to have an uphill battle convincing any of the members here. This is an Australian politics site. By definition, members here believe in electing their leaders and solving national problems by a process of "vetocracy" as you call it.
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Good on you, you are welcome to your vetocracy; meanwhile aborigines are drinking themselves to death on Broome beaches, and 1 in 6 OZ kids are still living in poverty, 4 decades after Bob Hawke's famous remark.
Quote:Members who don't support this usually end up having hissy fits and heading off to Stormfront.
Not me, I understand your delusional "freedom' ideology, and will continue to expose it.
Quote:We've seen it all before, dear. Been there, done that. The only way you can debate a political issue here, and I'd suggest most of Australia, is via reference to the ballot box. It's just who we are.
Nonsense, political issues can be debated anywhere; and whereas
you are unable to deal with the issues noted above at the ballot box, China gets on with its 5 -years plans.
Quote:Sure, plenty of people here enjoy a jolly dictator, but they're forced to feign reverence to the democratic process.
A benevolent dictator enjoying the support of 90% of the people? Trump could only gain 50%.
Quote:Take Trump, plenty of members wanted to see him stay in power and overturn the US constitution in the process, but they had to pretend votes were switched, so unfair. They had to buy into a ridiculous fake news conspiracy to stand by their man, and in doing so, of course, lose all credibility. A number of them left, the rest just stopped talking - what, after all, was left for them to say? Trump was voted out, as everybody knows.
Many were attracted by Trump's '
survival of the fittest' world view, and ending the US's "endless wars" via ever increasing Pentagon spending.
Quote:That's how we go here, dear. We're Aussies. We don't all have passports and plenty of us flew here, but I can guarantee you this: we all believe in vetocracy as you call it, all of us.
Don't let me interrupt you...I'm merely offering solutions to the problems identified above. (ie the 'gap', and entrenched poverty generally.)
Quote:If an idiot like Mr Abbott comes to power via the political process, we all whinge and complain, but we deal with it, we accept it. We keep calm and carry on.
Sure, it's always easy for comfortable conservatives to ignore the entrenched poverty among others.
Quote:We then vote him out at the next election. Do you see? That's how we go.
And what will the next election achieve? Albo is already committed to low taxes (the only way he can get self-interested electors to elect the ALP, as the last election proved), so there goes fixing up age care. etc. etc.
Quote:We don't lobby China to invade us and put a new boss in, we bide our time.
Sounds sensible (....??!!)
Quote: I guarantee you, every Australian party, from the Socialist Alternative to the Greens to the Nats and One Nation hold the same view. Every political group, from Trotskyists to monarchists, share a belief in what you call vetocracy. Anarchists, syndicalists, communists, unionists, capitalists, libertarians, protectionists, the lot.
Just to confirm: I have written to the CCP advising of the advantages of an
international rules based system; not sure of its reception, but obviously
the Marxist principle eg "workers of the world, unite" implies a genuine international rules based system; and when China becomes the largest economy in the world, China might be attracted to the concept to avoid an insane and wasteful arms race with a declining US.