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Reply #705 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:39am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
I see. So you don't support populations voting in their governments.


I happen to loathe the idiocy of tweedle dee  -  tweedle dum " achieve-nothing, "democratic" - more correctly - "veto-cratic" government. That's just my opinion...and the CCP's view as well, as it happens.

Yet China, (and I for that matter)  has no intention or desire to force its consensus one-party meritocracy onto any other nation. You could reciprocate, and leave the CCP to practice its own preferred system of governance which has the support of >90% of the population. 

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Like You support other countries' governments invading them and divvying up the spoils.


Gosh, communication is a difficult thing....I suppose because you are suffering from the individual "freedom" delusion, my explanation of which surely you have read.  You might not agree with it, but there's no way you can conclude I support war between nations in any shape or form. 

After all my exhortations for a proper international rules-based system, you still claim I am in favor of one nation invading another.   

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No worries, Great, I'm glad you got that off your chest. It's good to see some honesty here for a change.


Addressed above. In your reply to Athos you mentioned 'might is right', which is indeed the age-old method of settling international disputes, which the delegates at the formation of the UN Charter sought - but failed - to change for the first time in history, in 1946. They failed because your widespread delusional "freedom" ideology forced the veto onto the  proposed UNSC.

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Reply #706 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:43am
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
If Putin's not careful, china will set it's sights on Russia once Taiwan is done and dusted for them.

Ushering in an international rules based system based on China, rather than the US?
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Reply #707 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:48am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 8:23pm:
This must be the utopia Great's offering, his alternative to "vetocracy". Pity they need hard power to back it up, no?


China is happy to let you have your vetocracy.

Meanwhile, China's meritocracy has >90% support in China.

What's your problem?
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Reply #708 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:51am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 9:25pm:
Actually, those references to the Boxer revolution in the opening credits could be tricky. Better scrap that.


Yes, the opium wars leading to the Boxers revolution  don't put the British empire in a good light.
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Reply #709 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:11pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 9:14pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 8:48pm:
athos wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 8:07pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 7:09pm:
athos wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 7:04pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 2:40pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 2:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 2:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 2:18pm:
Great, you've missed the news, dear. Russia has invaded the Ukraine. Putin's not talking to anybody, he's going for the capital.

So again, I'm curious. Athos appears to support this invasion in the interest of another country's geopolitical moves.

You?

'Athos' is programmed to post scripts about Anglos this and that in the only English its developers can handle and post RT youtube clips.


Did you see #621? It's  brilliant, and not RT.

So you're saying the data information providers provide links beyond just RT? Not exactly high-tech.

Do you think the movie 'The Grand Inquisitor' is new to us?

Don't bluff, Moron this is not movie. You even don't know what it is?
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Now a more feminine use of English.

We in the west are well used to Sir John Gielgud and the English movie of Dostoevsky's novel.

It's been out since the mid 70's... About the time when the dust had barely settled on the cultural revolution.


Maybe you want conversation in Chinese?

To the Athos controllers:

Consistent English on an English speaking forum would be a good start.


I agree. Chi-na, if you're listening...

Let Athos watch some of our fine Aussie fillums. He might convince us to support Putin, and when Putin's done, you.

Feel free to invade us when you're done, okay?


An important announcement


"As a peaceful nation with a great culture and civilization, in the interest of world peace, China is also committed to bringing culture and prosperity to uncivilized and aggressive Anglo-Khazar tribes in America, Britain and their penal colonies.
This would be achieved primarily through the moral re-education of the deceived masses, after their liberation from the Anglo-Khazarian banking elite. It should be noted that Russia has already started this historic mission in Ukraine, liberating that country from the NATO Nazi occupation. China should continue this process of reeducation, debarbarization and denazification in the Indio-Pacific region" (Quote).

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Reply #710 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:16pm
 
The Anglo-Khazarians  believe that the greatest sin of China and Russia is their existence.
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Reply #711 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
athos wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
The Anglo-Khazarians  believe that the greatest sin of China and Russia is their existence.
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Laden Sie noch heute eine „Athos“-App herunter.
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Reply #712 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:24pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:51am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 9:25pm:
Actually, those references to the Boxer revolution in the opening credits could be tricky. Better scrap that.


Yes, the opium wars leading to the Boxers revolution  don't put the British empire in a good light.

So you're saying history matters when it comes to the CCP's grievances.
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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #713 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:38pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:39am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 6:35pm:
I see. So you don't support populations voting in their governments.


I happen to loathe the idiocy of tweedle dee  -  tweedle dum " achieve-nothing, "democratic" - more correctly - "veto-cratic" government. That's just my opinion...and the CCP's view as well, as it happens.

Yet China, (and I for that matter)  has no intention or desire to force its consensus one-party meritocracy onto any other nation. You could reciprocate, and leave the CCP to practice its own preferred system of governance which has the support of >90% of the population. 

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Like You support other countries' governments invading them and divvying up the spoils.


Gosh, communication is a difficult thing....I suppose because you are suffering from the individual "freedom" delusion, my explanation of which surely you have read.  You might not agree with it, but there's no way you can conclude I support war between nations in any shape or form. 

After all my exhortations for a proper international rules-based system, you still claim I am in favor of one nation invading another.   

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No worries, Great, I'm glad you got that off your chest. It's good to see some honesty here for a change.


Addressed above. In your reply to Athos you mentioned 'might is right', which is indeed the age-old method of settling international disputes, which the delegates at the formation of the UN Charter sought - but failed - to change for the first time in history, in 1946. They failed because your widespread delusional "freedom" ideology forced the veto onto the  proposed UNSC.

(cont)



China is not forcing its political model onto anyone, Great, just its surveillance state - throughout Central and South East Asia. Yes, I imagine we could say countries like Laos have a choice, but global hegemons never offer that choice.

But no worries, China is currently sending out the bots to back Putin. That fact alone loses all sympathy I previously had for China.

The only reason you're backing Putin is the geopolitical interests of the one-party state you're affiliated with.

Few Australians would promote America's interests, for example, in such a way. It's brainwashing at its best. 90% of Chinese, is it?

That kind of kool-aid is an anathema to most Australians, who would never fall in line like that. As a previously colonised country, you'd think China would share an independence streak. Your 90% suggestion is a testament to the CCP's Ministry of Propaganda. 

Thanks for the info. We need to ensure such government thought control NEVER happens here.

On the Ukraine though, there's nothing left to say. You and Athos are only supporting this war because you're told.

90%, innit.
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Re: Russia will not invade Ukraine
Reply #714 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:48am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 8:23pm:
This must be the utopia Great's offering, his alternative to "vetocracy". Pity they need hard power to back it up, no?


China is happy to let you have your vetocracy.

Meanwhile, China's meritocracy has >90% support in China.

What's your problem?


That 90% of you would mindlessly fall in line to promote a Russian invasion.

Your meritocracy idea is a distraction from the subject we're discussing. If you can't separate your domestic political ideology from another country's imperial ambitions, that's a problem.
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Reply #715 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:46pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:23pm:
athos wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:16pm:
The Anglo-Khazarians  believe that the greatest sin of China and Russia is their existence.
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Laden Sie noch heute eine „Athos“-App herunter.


Hang on, is Athos communicating through a translator app?

Careful, Meister, he might overheat.
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Reply #716 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:50pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 12:24pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 6th, 2022 at 11:51am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 9:25pm:
Actually, those references to the Boxer revolution in the opening credits could be tricky. Better scrap that.


Yes, the opium wars leading to the Boxers revolution  don't put the British empire in a good light.

So you're saying history matters when it comes to the CCP's grievances.


No, he's saying being occupied by cynical foreign powers is a bad thing.

Just not when it comes to China's allies.
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Reply #717 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 1:19pm
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 5th, 2022 at 6:35pm:

But you're going to have an uphill battle convincing any of the members here. This is an Australian politics site. By definition, members here believe in electing their leaders and solving national problems by a process of "vetocracy" as you call it.


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Good on you, you are welcome to your vetocracy; meanwhile aborigines are drinking themselves to death on Broome beaches, and 1 in 6 OZ kids are still living in poverty, 4 decades after Bob Hawke's famous remark. 

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Members who don't support this usually end up having hissy fits and heading off to Stormfront.


Not me, I understand your delusional "freedom' ideology, and will continue to expose it. 

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We've seen it all before, dear. Been there, done that. The only way you can debate a political issue here, and I'd suggest most of Australia, is via reference to the ballot box. It's just who we are.


Nonsense, political issues can be debated anywhere; and whereas you are unable to deal with the issues noted above at the ballot box, China gets on with its 5 -years plans. 

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Sure, plenty of people here enjoy a jolly dictator, but they're forced to feign reverence to the democratic process.


A benevolent dictator enjoying the support of 90% of the people?  Trump could only gain 50%.


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Take Trump, plenty of members wanted to see him stay in power and overturn the US constitution in the process, but they had to pretend votes were switched, so unfair. They had to buy into a ridiculous fake news conspiracy to stand by their man, and in doing so, of course, lose all credibility. A number of them left, the rest just stopped talking - what, after all, was left for them to say? Trump was voted out, as everybody knows.


Many were attracted by Trump's 'survival of the fittest' world view, and ending the US's "endless wars"  via ever increasing Pentagon spending.

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That's how we go here, dear. We're Aussies. We don't all have passports and plenty of us flew here, but I can guarantee you this: we all believe in vetocracy as you call it, all of us.


Don't let me interrupt you...I'm merely offering solutions to the problems identified above. (ie the 'gap', and entrenched poverty generally.)

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If an idiot like Mr Abbott comes to power via the political process, we all whinge and complain, but we deal with it, we accept it. We keep calm and carry on.


Sure, it's always easy for comfortable conservatives to ignore the entrenched poverty among others.

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We then vote him out at the next election. Do you see? That's how we go.


And what will the next election achieve?  Albo is already committed to low taxes (the only way he can get self-interested  electors to elect the ALP, as the last election proved), so there goes fixing up age care. etc. etc.   

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We don't lobby China to invade us and put a new boss in, we bide our time.


Sounds sensible (....??!!)

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I guarantee you, every Australian party, from the Socialist Alternative to the Greens to the Nats and One Nation hold the same view. Every political group, from Trotskyists to monarchists, share a belief in what you call vetocracy. Anarchists, syndicalists, communists, unionists, capitalists, libertarians, protectionists, the lot.


Just to confirm: I have written to the CCP advising of the advantages of an international rules based system; not sure of its reception, but obviously the Marxist principle eg "workers of the world, unite"  implies a genuine  international rules based system; and when China becomes the largest economy in the world,  China might be attracted to the concept to avoid an insane and wasteful arms race with a declining US.

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Reply #718 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 1:46pm
 
Great, I'm curious. Are you a member of the Party?
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Reply #719 - Mar 6th, 2022 at 1:51pm
 
"The First Opium War, fought in 1839–1842 between Qing China and the United Kingdom, was triggered by the dynasty's campaign against the British merchants who sold opium in China. The Second Opium War was fought between the Qing and the United Kingdom and France, 1856–1860."

The Boxer Rebellion took place in 1900....So WWI caused Vietnam, and Russia's invasion of Afghanistan and Ukraine and so forth were caused by WW I?

Well - in some sense, yes - but definitely not all.......
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