Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2022 at 12:50pm:


1. Of course Putin should not have invaded Ukraine, but neither should there be fighting between Russians and Ukrainians living in Ukraine.

2. NATO is a relic of the Cold War and should be disbanded.

3. Note the paradox: the freedom to die for freedom in nationalistic wars - implied in 'national sovereignty' - results in mass death rather than freedom, as we are currently witnessing, in ongoing endless wars.

Only the eradication of "legal war" (an oxymoron, because mass murder can never be legal) can result in real freedom and life for all, as opposed to "freedom" and certain death for many. 

One for you deluded "freedom" ideologues to ponder.

Karnal wrote on Mar 6^th, 2022 at 3:00pm:


A genuine international rules-based system requires abolition of the concept of legal war. Rules for conducting mass murder are oxymoronic, indeed moronic and insane.

Issues of governance and sovereignty are secondary to this fundamental requirement for an international rules based system.

NOW do you understand?   

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No it's not. You aren't reading my posts, therefore I'm entitled to call you out as a fraud.

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The concept of "legal war" is ingrained in the human psyche, like the concept of money as a 'scarce commodity' - another disastrous delusion maintained by self-interested private financiers. 

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Athos is fighting Western exceptionalism and Western triumphalism and all its evils, good on him.

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You need to be able to see past the established and entrenched self-interested  "individual freedom" delusion....and "scarce money" delusion.... which are responsible for the endless wars and entrenched poverty in the world. 

This guy is no more the super hero like a couple days ago . Zelensky your 20 seconds of acting glory has gone .
He is responsible for your own protection. If he had not been bullying and murdering thousand of innocent people in Donbas for 8 years, he would not be in this mess. It was KARMA that sent Russia to the protection of the people in these regions. To make matters worst, during the midst of war, he continues his evil and hateful ways by discriminating against people of color and prevented them from getting out of harms way. The Ukrainian people are being punished because of their leaders.
He is already sacrificed. As usual the West will let him go slowly down the drain.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 7^th, 2022 at 11:40am:


Why would I spruik the benefits of democracy? The Ukraine is a sovereign country. The Ukraine elected Zalensky. UN observers endorsed the result.

Not so in Russia, but we recognise the Russian government too. Russia is a sovereign country. Russians elected Putin, but only because he killed or banned all opponents from running.

China has Xi. 90% of Chinese support that (apparently). No one wants to invade China. We respect the sovereignty.

We're not discussing Aboriginal poverty. Would you like to start a thread on it? We can compare Aboriginal poverty with the Tibetans or Uighurs if you like.

Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2022 at 12:27pm:

Watch out for that admission!

The wumao and little pinks have been instructed to take another tack.

Since the CCP, as usual, has backed the wrong horse in the race, it's tack is, not to be seen to be siding with Putin, but promote itself as the only 'government' that can save the day.

It's the CCP's subtle pivot to trying to extricate itself from aiding and abetting Putin in the first place.

The CCP knew moths before that Russia was going to invade. Did the CCP actively try to stop Putin? Of course not. They, like Putin, though Putin would win within a day or two.

Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2022 at 12:37pm:


I notice you  continue to ignore my comments  re "legal war", and its implications for governance and  national sovereignty.

You obviously prefer to see people dying for "freedom", in endless wars.

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Putin has to deal with the realities of vetocracies, and he doesn't like it, especially when Ukrainians have been killing Russians  in Ukraine for at least 8 years.

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And China doesn't want to invade anyone either; but the West would certainly like to dismember China.

And then there are the Chinese private wealth maximizers who lost the ideological civil war on the mainland  and fled to Taiwan...

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We are discussing national sovereignty -  and "legal war" - which you refuse to discuss, even though people on both sides are dying for "freedom" in Ukraine.

And as for 'ethnic' (aboriginal) poverty (not to mention non-ethnic poverty), it's entrenched in Oz - whereas the CCP is eradicating both ethnic and non-ethnic poverty at the fastest rate of any country in history. 

Karnal wrote on Mar 7^th, 2022 at 12:27pm:


Unfortunately, the human condition is VERY complicated by self-interest and instinct, inter alia.

and fyi, the "brotherhood of humanity" is incompatible with endless wars and entrenched poverty. 

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Sorry.... one more "but": namely, but Ukrainians have been killing Russians in Ukraine for 8 years!

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Hopefully moot, when the PLA is powerful enough to tell the Pentagon where to go...

(a continuation of 'might is right', I know; but if you insist on "legal war"...).

Australian puppets should read this:


"To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal."

Henry Kissinger: