Karnal wrote on Mar 7
th, 2022 at 7:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 7
th, 2022 at 4:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Mar 7
th, 2022 at 3:30pm:
Aha! He said it!
90% applies to the rest of the world too, eh?
It's always painful debating deluded Western "individual freedom" ideologues, but never give up....
The CCP takes its inspiration from Marxism. You said the CCP doesn't practice Marxism.
I said YOU are not entitled to say whether the CCP considers it is practicing Marxism or not.
Quote:Good to see you finally come clean, Great. Only the CCP define Marxism-Leninism.
No, ANYONE can define Marxism-Leninism as a basis for achieving good governance, as he sees fit, because both Marx and Lenin are historical figures who confronted vastly different circumstances to those in our modern world.
Meanwhile you of course want to define Marxism in negative terms and reject it completely, as if aspects of Marxism cannot be adapted to changing circumstances in the modern world.
A Conservative mind will of course have difficulties with the concept of "changing circumstances".
Quote:Does this include you?
fyi, Marx and Christ (the man, not the mythical god) are two of my heroes, but that shouldn't be of concern in this debate.
And two of my heroes too, dear. I would never reject Marx's work. I would merely say the CCP has turned its back on Marxism.
"Turned its back on 'Marxism'"?
So now you are telling us the recently reaffirmed CCP concept of "common prosperity" is not a Marxist ideal.
Quote:Socialism "with Chinese characteristics" is a repudiation of Mao's Marxism-Leninism. It's no longer socialism, but a form of oligarchical corporatism.
There you go, defining all these terms to suit your agenda. As long as the CCP is progressing to
common prosperity, you can define terms all you like, but you will be talking nonsense in relation to the CCP.
Quote:And that's okay. The political-economic model of the CCP is closer to fascism in practice. No worries, the model has developed China quicker than any country ever. The pace is unprecedented.
After more of your ideology-based definitions, you made a correct statement. Congratulations.
Quote:So why pretend it's anything other than a form of top-down state capitalism?
However you define it, the
outcome is celebrated by the Chines people, with >90% support - unachievable in the West's vetocracies. And the model is continually modified, to ensure
achievement of common prosperity. Quote:Your country has made great strides, and had great failures too. The difference between us is we can admit our mistakes.
Wrong: Xi has clamped down on the recent increasing evidence of Western
funny money financial capitalism in China's economy.
Unlike the mindless acceptance of entrenched poverty in the West, and its complacency in its 'legitimate' governance conferred by 'free' elections.
Quote:You're not allowed. 90%, innit.
>90%.... never in the dreams of the 'legitimate' adversarial vetocratic rabbles.
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