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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #165 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 4:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

Relative poverty is not decreasing in China, it is increasing.

Same as in Oz, whose government relies on charity to deal with it; whereas China reduces relative poverty via subsidization.

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TGD, are you capable of giving a straight answer?

I just did. Close all those 'charities' in Oz , and watch what happens .

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What do you think relative poverty is?

Addressed above.

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Can you acknowledge that inequality is higher in China than in Australia,

Yes, though trending in the right direction in China with Xi's "common prosperity", unlike Oz which relies on charity to maintain social stability.

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and most other western countries? If not, what do you think inequality is?

Interestingly the wealthiest nation in the world with per capita gdp 5 times as high as China, is more unequal than China...., not a good look in 'the beacon of democracy' ....

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What is the difference between increasing your per capita GDP by a factor of 3, and going from 10 to 30 grains of rice to eat per day?

Today everyone in China has sufficient to eat, unlike Oz and the US where people rely on charities and food stamps respectively.

You tried to address it above. You lied. Then you changed the topic.

Being so evasive, it is hard to tell whether you are deliberately lying, or just have no clue what you are talking about.

Relative poverty is not the same in China as in Australia. It used to be almost non-existent in China, but is now worse than Australia. And it is trending worse. Meanwhile Australia's has not changed, as either you or one of the other idiot stooges recently showed. But until you figure out (or admit) what relative poverty means, don't bother responding on this point.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #166 - Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:07pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:02pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:35pm:

In any case, I now understand the current economic orthodoxy is the reason for the catastrophic failure to house and employ everyone at above poverty level, in the anglo countries and elsewhere.

You know our unemployment benefits are more than double the median Chinese wage, right?

You aren't aware of PPP, obviously.

The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries) is well below the poverty line.

How far below?

You missed the edit:

"The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries) is well below the poverty line, while median wage in China is well above poverty, in China.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:15pm:

How far below?

Doesn't matter; poverty is poverty - destroying health and social cohesion.

Are you saying that once you get below the poverty line, it does not matter if you starve to death? Do you think this is the cold logic behind the CCP starving 50 million Chinese people to death?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #167 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:17pm

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:07pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:03pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:02pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 1:35pm:

In any case, I now understand the current economic orthodoxy is the reason for the catastrophic failure to house and employ everyone at above poverty level, in the anglo countries and elsewhere.

You know our unemployment benefits are more than double the median Chinese wage, right?

You aren't aware of PPP, obviously.

The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries) is well below the poverty line.

How far below?

You missed the edit:

"The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries) is well below the poverty line, while median wage in China is well above poverty, in China.

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:24pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2024 at 2:15pm:

How far below?

Doesn't matter; poverty is poverty - destroying health and social cohesion.

Are you saying that once you get below the poverty line, it does not matter if you starve to death?

No, I'm saying all poverty reduces life expectancy.

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Do you think this is the cold logic behind the CCP starving 50 million Chinese people to death?

No , I'm saying your delusional "freedom" ideology is the reason you can write crap like that.

The CCP did not have starvation as a goal, they were truying to overcome the serfdom which existed during the Qing dynasty.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #168 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 4:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:32pm:

Relative poverty is not decreasing in China, it is increasing.

Same as in Oz, whose government relies on charity to deal with it; whereas China reduces relative poverty via subsidization.

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TGD, are you capable of giving a straight answer?

I just did. Close all those 'charities' in Oz , and watch what happens .

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What do you think relative poverty is?

Addressed above.

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Can you acknowledge that inequality is higher in China than in Australia,

Yes, though trending in the right direction in China with Xi's "common prosperity", unlike Oz which relies on charity to maintain social stability.

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and most other western countries? If not, what do you think inequality is?

Interestingly the wealthiest nation in the world with per capita gdp 5 times as high as China, is more unequal than China...., not a good look in 'the beacon of democracy' ....

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What is the difference between increasing your per capita GDP by a factor of 3, and going from 10 to 30 grains of rice to eat per day?

Today everyone in China has sufficient to eat, unlike Oz and the US where people rely on charities and food stamps respectively.

You tried to address it above. You lied. Then you changed the topic.

Wrong - and fraudulent as usual; you didn't state the particular point you imagined you were addressing.

You need to quote the particular point, and say where I "changed the subject", to reclaim your credibility.

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Being so evasive, it is hard to tell whether you are deliberately lying, or just have no clue what you are talking about.

Oh dear - it's 'mirror time', as pointed out above.

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Relative poverty is not the same in China as in Australia.

ALL poverty reduces life expectancy.

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It used to be almost non-existent in China, but is now worse than Australia.

You don't understand poverty, relative poverty, and PPP.

Re PPP, Chinese people can purchase the same goods for the equivalent of $2, which an Ozy would pay $10 for.

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And it (poverty) is trending worse.

In the last 2 years, now that illegal US sanctions are biting? We will see.

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Meanwhile Australia's has not changed,

Poverty and inequality in Oz are increasing because the main source of wealth for most Ozy's is home ownership, the rate of which is inexorably falling.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #171 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 6:23pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

There is more intellectual poverty in FleaDriver's cranium than there is in the whole of China.

It is a testiment to the endless tolerance and accommodation that is Western civilistation that you are still alive.

If you carried on like this in China against China, Or Araby against the Mohammedans, you would have disappeared DECADES ago, copper pyramids be damned.

It is one of the greatest and most admirable aspects of western civilisation that it it lets its critics speak, no matter how ****ing deranged and hostile like you they are.

The West is magnanimous in a way all other little pinched, tribal bozos are not.

China - what a ***ing dump for ANYONE who wants to think and be creative.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west Reply #172 - Mar 26^th, 2024 at 6:41pm I repeat for Judophile Frank: There is more intellectual poverty in FleaDriver's cranium than there is in the whole of China.
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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #174 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:31pm

freediver wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 3:52pm:

How far below the poverty line do you think our unemployment benefits are?

Ok...back to specific questions. Good.

(google):

People in households relying on JobSeeker were $269 per week below the poverty line, and people in households relying on parenting payment were $246 per week below the poverty line.22 Mar 2023

and

" A 2022 study found that 3.3 million people in Australia live below the poverty line", including 761,000 children....which accounts for the 20,000 homeless children turned away by relevent authorities in 2023.

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If you do not know how far, how can you be sure it is below the poverty line?

Unlike you, I keep abreast of current affairs. Try watching SBS news instead of Sky News.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #176 - Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:55pm

Frank wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Mar 26^th, 2024 at 5:57pm:

There is more intellectual poverty in FleaDriver's cranium than there is in the whole of China.

It is a testiment to the endless tolerance and accommodation that is Western civilistation that you are still alive.

Nonsense. China lifted its life expectancy from 45 to 79 years since 1950.

[India: " average life expectancy of an Indian has increased from 39.93 years in 1960 to 69.27 years in 2020."

US : "life expectancy for the total population in the United States increased by almost 10 years from 69.7 years in 1960 to 79.4 years in 2015. "

Still only 79 years in 2024 ]

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If you carried on like this in China against China, Or Araby against the Mohammedans, you would have disappeared DECADES ago, copper pyramids be damned.

Like Assange against the US?

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It is one of the greatest and most admirable aspects of western civilisation that it it lets its critics speak, no matter how ****ing deranged and hostile like you they are.

Assange's life has been ruined, as have the lives of millions of people forced to live below the poverty line in your vicious, neoliberal economies.

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The West is magnanimous in a way all other little pinched, tribal bozos are not.

Geez.. another blind, dumb comfortable conservative spouting nonsense and oozing indifference.

Indifference which will soon have to face the revolt of the people , see the tweets in the MMT thread - people demanding change.

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China - what a ***ing dump for ANYONE who wants to think and be creative.

They are proud of the smart new infrstructure their creativity has produced. See any HS rail in the US or Oz?

And plenty of space for creativity, on the path to a "beautiful, green socialist China" exploring space, driver-less cars, green technology, and more.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #177 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:38am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:28am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:13am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Do you expect us to believe that all the posts you make in support or defence of the CCP are just a coincidence?

Yes. Any similarity of my views with certain polices of the CCP are a coincidence.

I'm a Marxist in spirit, remember...

You don't just defend their policies. You defend their actions. You parrot their propaganda.

All just a coincidence?

1. Their's is a Marxist constitution, which I defend.

2. I don't defend their secrecy, born out of paranoia about delusional 'individual rights'. Assange was similarly crucified in the West, on 'secrecy' grounds.

3. You - being deluded by 'shared belief' in non-existent "natural individual rights" - and claiming to recognize political propaganda, is an oxymoron.

Your efforts to make it appear that Australia has more people below the poverty line than China

(sigh) that is NOT my concern, which is to show 'common prosperity' is achievable, using the CCP's example of eradicating poverty at the fastest rate in history, while Oz if going backwards, shutting an entire generation out of home ownership.

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- is that

a) CCP policy
b) CCP actions
c) CCP propaganda

a) - yes

b) - sometimes

c) - no.

So it is not propaganda because the CCP actually has a policy of making it appear that Australia has more people below the poverty line than China?

And you would never say something like:

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"The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries) is well below the poverty line, while median wage in China is well above poverty, in China.

because it is not your concern? Or you would say it, but it is not your concern whether it is true?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #178 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 4:33pm

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:38am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:28am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:13am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:58am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:57am:

freediver wrote on Apr 1^st, 2024 at 10:32am:

Do you expect us to believe that all the posts you make in support or defence of the CCP are just a coincidence?

Yes. Any similarity of my views with certain polices of the CCP are a coincidence.

I'm a Marxist in spirit, remember...

You don't just defend their policies. You defend their actions. You parrot their propaganda.

All just a coincidence?

1. Their's is a Marxist constitution, which I defend.

2. I don't defend their secrecy, born out of paranoia about delusional 'individual rights'. Assange was similarly crucified in the West, on 'secrecy' grounds.

3. You - being deluded by 'shared belief' in non-existent "natural individual rights" - and claiming to recognize political propaganda, is an oxymoron.

Your efforts to make it appear that Australia has more people below the poverty line than China

(sigh) that is NOT my concern, which is to show 'common prosperity' is achievable, using the CCP's example of eradicating poverty at the fastest rate in history, while Oz if going backwards, shutting an entire generation out of home ownership.

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- is that

a) CCP policy
b) CCP actions
c) CCP propaganda

a) - yes

b) - sometimes

c) - no.

So it is not propaganda because the CCP actually has a policy of making it appear that Australia has more people below the poverty line than China?

No - the correct answer to most of your insane questions.

1. The CCP is not interested in Oz's poverty line.

2. Oz's poverty line kills people - see the gap, and the lower life expectancy among ALL groups affected by poverty, cf the population who are not affected by poverty.

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And you would never say something like:

"The 'welfare safety net' in Oz (and other rich anglo countries) is well below the poverty line, while median wage in China is well above poverty, in China.

Yes I would, as patiently explained above. And do you understand 'median wage' , which in a middle income country like China is above the poverty line? (Not to mention 'PPP', ie purchasing power of a nation's currency, compared to other nations?)

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because it is not your concern? Or you would say it, but it is not your concern whether it is true?

Both questions shown to be nonsense, as noted above.

Meanwhile, speaking of 'patient explanation', NOT ONCE have you addressed the reality that we are all (to one degree or another) naturally competitive, self-interested individuals. ...... and the implications of that reality for rule of law and "individual rights".

NOT ONCE - you are too busy finding fault with the CCP, which is why you transferred your 'foundations' thread to various China bashing threads, to avoid looking at your own illusions/delusions.

Are you a fraud, or incompetent?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #179 - Apr 1^st, 2024 at 6:58pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 27^th, 2024 at 3:31pm:

People in households relying on JobSeeker were $269 per week below the poverty line, and people in households relying on parenting payment were $246 per week below the poverty line.22 Mar 2023

What was the poverty line? Why did you not include the link?

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