freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:


Because small populations are easier to organize,  and require fewer resources to make them rich (duh).

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in 10 years China will be the most powerful nation on the planet, and in 20 years per capita standards will match those in the West. 

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By "idiotic propaganda", I presume you mean my expose' of the West's 'sovereign individual' / "inalienable rights" delusions...

The thing about delusions is they are not easily dispelled....

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As I said, China subsidizes low-wage workers' housing, and infrastructure costs. Meantime the size of the middle class in increasing rapidly, unlike in the US.   

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 5:02pm:


Yes we will. 

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Hopefully Bachelet is capable of understanding the need to re-educate Islamic terrorists, and provide employment for them.   

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What was it with Sterzel's wife,  that the CCP should have come to regard her as a spy?  Jason certainly isn't having any such problems with his Chinese wife.

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The issue with the West is it's a Libertarian outfit based on sovereign individual' inalienable rights ' delusions.   

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Yeh... like Assange's multi-year incarceration...

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Have patience. You ain't see nuttin' yet...soon another 40,000 kms of HS rail, the world's most advanced and extensive 5G communications etc all laid out in the 5 year plans  (while poor Biden is having trouble getting some funds from Congress to do anything... 

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 4:59pm:


People are not "made rich". They make themselves rich. All the government has to do is get out of the way and let them. The size of the population makes little difference. If anything, it is easier with large populations due to economies of scale. The larger countries can compete in industries such as automotive that smaller nations such as Australia could not.

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We are concerned they will go the way of Nazi Germany, and drag everyone else down with them. The writing is on the wall.

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You mean in 20 years, assuming no more "mistakes", you will reach the living standards the west has now, largely by copying it. Remember, it was not that long ago that for no good reason at all, other than stupid ideology and believing its own propaganda, your government starved 50 million of its citizens to death, and you are now defending it keeping the population ignorant of this so that it can repeat the mistake.

One mistake, and you will find the Chinese people not so forgiving of your lies.

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I meant your idiotic propaganda about China becoming rich. You provide no evidence at all. The facts point to China still being wracked by poverty. All you provide is spin, not substance. Then pretend not to understand what I am saying.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 5:32pm:


Nonsense. The Jews weren't separatist  terrorists, which is, inter alia,  what the Nazis were trying to portray them as. 

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Totally irrelevant, as noted above.

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In short, ideological BS from a deluded sovereign individual/inalienable rights ideologue.

Such ideologues are by definition a threat to the Chinese consensus system.

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2022 at 6:30pm:


Semantics? The Singaporeans submitted to government directed by, in effect, one man...and achieved a spectacular rise in living standards.  But they were only a population of around 4 million.

Now the task of lifting the living standards of 1.4 billion people is far more complex, because a service industry alone will not achieve it.

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Singapore proves: not so.

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But you have to build the factories first. Both China and India languished while Japan out competed the US in manufacturing.  China had to start at the low-end, low wage manufacturing first. And where will India start? 

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Ah...that makes sense. 

No, don't worry, the Chinese have no interest in conquering anyone else, only in defending their own existence as a state.   

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No, not by copying it. Evergrande and funny-money tech etc etc have already alerted the CCP to the downsides  of the West's free market system. 

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Obviously nonsense. The last thing the CCP wants is to repeat that mistake.

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The CCP is well aware of that.

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?? the "China miracle" is the most widely accepted reality of modern economics, including among Western economists. 

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I understand what you are saying, which is China still has poverty...just as the US and Oz do. But it's the rate of eradication of poverty which  is the important factor, high in China  and low - if at all - in the US and Oz. 

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2022 at 1:38pm:

It wasn't just the Nazis who were portraying them as separatist terrorists. Kaiser Wilhelm II blamed his abdication and Germany's defeat on Jewish socialist intellectuals. It was a common belief among Germans that Jews were colluding with Russian Bolsheviks. As with the CCP and China, Germans once externalised blame for all of Germany's problems.

Once the CCP has collapsed, the true extent of the mess mainland China is in will be exposed.

Under the CCP, the world does not view China or the Chinese people as success stories. Particularly recently, China is being exposed as the backward dump that it is and the people as backward as the soviets of the 50s.

This Chinese obsession with industrial wastelands, smoke stacks and cooling towers as 'proof of progress', is particularly reminiscent of the soviets.

Everyone is a potential spy to the CCP, hence the obsession with surveillance, particularly of all foreigners, ethnic minorities, rural Chinese, migrant workers. It is a reincarnation of the KGB and the East German Stasi.

When all Stasi files were made public, former east Germans were stunned to find out that many of their friends and neighbours were actually Stasi operatives reporting their every move. That's the kind of shock that awaits the Chinese people.

Already Chinese people do not trust each other, hence why they prefer to purchase the likes of baby powder from foreign sources.

Hilarious to hear the the CCP's Jiang faction is once again fighting to take down the Xi faction.

80% of the Chinese population live in small 'caged apartments' like battery hens. At least they're allowed to 'Free-range' and go to work carving toothpicks.