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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #60 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 4:51pm:

It's nothing to do with "inalienable rights".

The whole sovereignty/ 'election by representation' BS is based on that very delusion. If the King is not sovereign, who is? The individual of course....based on "inherent inalienable rights". Delusional.

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China is a dump. Groundwater mostly poisoned throughout the country; forced labour camps all over the country (not just in Xinjiang); poverty rife in rural areas.

China is lifting 1.4 billion people out of poverty at the fastest rate in history. That's why China poured more cement 2010-2013 than the US in the entire 20th century.

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Just as the Soviet Union was before its collapse

The USSR shrank after the demise of communism. Before that:

The Soviet Union maintained itself as the second largest economy in both nominal and purchasing power parity values for much of the Cold War until 1990, when Japan's economy exceeded $3 trillion in nominal value.[24]

Funny how the Chinese don't even trust each other; it's why Chinese marketers like foreigners plugging Chinese products.

We all know what we will find when the CCP collapses. It's the one reason the Chinese can count on for not being invaded when the CCP does collapse.

There is no such thing a sovereign individuality by virtue of being an individual - at least not in the west. But, as you repeat it often, it's likely that that's how you think the Chinese would define themselves if they got out from under the CCP. Could explain why they have so much trouble coming together as a team on a sports field.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #61 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Funny how the Chinese don't even trust each other; it's why Chinese marketers like foreigners plugging Chinese products.

That all you got - diversionary nonsense.

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We all know what we will find when the CCP collapses. It's the one reason the Chinese can count on for not being invaded when the CCP does collapse.

More ideological nonsense, hence no attempt to reply to the post at hand.

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There is no such thing a sovereign individuality by virtue of being an individual

Ah ...at last you are returning to the debate.

So, I'm glad you acknowledge that much.

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- at least not in the west.

Pray tell us then, what is the basis of election by naturally self-interested "free" individuals, if none of them is "sovereign, as an individual".

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But, as you repeat it often, it's likely that that's how you think the Chinese would define themselves if they got out from under the CCP.

No, the Chinese have learnt to accept the advantageous of government by consensus and meritocracy. They reject the hyper-partisan, achieve-nothing rabble of adversarial 'democratic' deluded ideologues which they are witnessing in the West.

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Could explain why they have so much trouble coming together as a team on a sports field.

You mean like Albo (not to mention ASIO) having so much trouble coming together with Scomo, over China?

Great "team work" there.....

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Reply #62 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Funny how the Chinese don't even trust each other; it's why Chinese marketers like foreigners plugging Chinese products.

That all you got - diversionary nonsense.

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We all know what we will find when the CCP collapses. It's the one reason the Chinese can count on for not being invaded when the CCP does collapse.

More ideological nonsense, hence no attempt to reply to the post at hand.

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There is no such thing a sovereign individuality by virtue of being an individual

Ah ...at last you are returning to the debate.

So, I'm glad you acknowledge that much.

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- at least not in the west.

Pray tell us then, what is the basis of election by naturally self-interested "free" individuals, if none of them is "sovereign, as an individual".

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But, as you repeat it often, it's likely that that's how you think the Chinese would define themselves if they got out from under the CCP.

No, the Chinese have learnt to accept the advantageous of government by consensus and meritocracy. They reject the hyper-partisan, achieve-nothing rabble of adversarial 'democratic' deluded ideologues which they are witnessing in the West.

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Could explain why they have so much trouble coming together as a team on a sports field.

You mean like Albo (not to mention ASIO) having so much trouble coming together with Scomo, over China?

Great "team work" there.....

Ah yes, 'sovereign individuality', 'We the Chinese', 'common prosperity','consensus and meritocracy', 'high speed rail' (many to ghost towns) that run at a massive loss!

How's corruption in the army going? The Jiang faction controls the army, not the Xi faction. How did Jiang manufacture loyalty of the army?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #63 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:35pm

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More ideological nonsense, hence no attempt to reply to the post at hand.

I notice you have abandoned you idiotic propaganda about poverty being entrenched in the west.

Were you unaware that our unemployed get paid more than twice as much as a typical Chinese person earns? Been drinking the CCP coolaid?

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Reply #64 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:39pm

freediver wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:35pm:

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More ideological nonsense, hence no attempt to reply to the post at hand.

I notice you have abandoned you idiotic propaganda about poverty being entrenched in the west.

Were you unaware that our unemployed get paid more than twice as much as a typical Chinese person earns? Been drinking the CCP coolaid?

And the Chinese can forget about free healthcare. You pay for everything in China; for the service and often a bribe or a 'tip'.

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Reply #65 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Funny how the Chinese don't even trust each other; it's why Chinese marketers like foreigners plugging Chinese products.

That all you got - diversionary nonsense.

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We all know what we will find when the CCP collapses. It's the one reason the Chinese can count on for not being invaded when the CCP does collapse.

More ideological nonsense, hence no attempt to reply to the post at hand.

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There is no such thing a sovereign individuality by virtue of being an individual

Ah ...at last you are returning to the debate.

So, I'm glad you acknowledge that much.

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- at least not in the west.

Pray tell us then, what is the basis of election by naturally self-interested "free" individuals, if none of them is "sovereign, as an individual".

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But, as you repeat it often, it's likely that that's how you think the Chinese would define themselves if they got out from under the CCP.

No, the Chinese have learnt to accept the advantageous of government by consensus and meritocracy. They reject the hyper-partisan, achieve-nothing rabble of adversarial 'democratic' deluded ideologues which they are witnessing in the West.

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Could explain why they have so much trouble coming together as a team on a sports field.

You mean like Albo (not to mention ASIO) having so much trouble coming together with Scomo, over China?

Great "team work" there.....

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Reply #66 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:58pm

Frank wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 8:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:50pm:

Funny how the Chinese don't even trust each other; it's why Chinese marketers like foreigners plugging Chinese products.

That all you got - diversionary nonsense.

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We all know what we will find when the CCP collapses. It's the one reason the Chinese can count on for not being invaded when the CCP does collapse.

More ideological nonsense, hence no attempt to reply to the post at hand.

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There is no such thing a sovereign individuality by virtue of being an individual

Ah ...at last you are returning to the debate.

So, I'm glad you acknowledge that much.

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- at least not in the west.

Pray tell us then, what is the basis of election by naturally self-interested "free" individuals, if none of them is "sovereign, as an individual".

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But, as you repeat it often, it's likely that that's how you think the Chinese would define themselves if they got out from under the CCP.

No, the Chinese have learnt to accept the advantageous of government by consensus and meritocracy. They reject the hyper-partisan, achieve-nothing rabble of adversarial 'democratic' deluded ideologues which they are witnessing in the West.

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Could explain why they have so much trouble coming together as a team on a sports field.

You mean like Albo (not to mention ASIO) having so much trouble coming together with Scomo, over China?

Great "team work" there.....

Poor Frank, reduced to relying on Monty sketches, for support....

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 46532 Gender:	Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west Reply #68 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 6:35pm thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:58pm: Poor Frank, reduced to relying on Monty sketches, for support....
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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #69 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 8:29pm

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 5:03pm:

Were you unaware that our unemployed get paid more than twice as much as a typical Chinese person earns? Been drinking the CCP coolaid?

Let me know if you are having difficulty understanding the question.

You are obviously incapable of understanding the process of lifting 1.4 billion people out of absolute poverty.

Hence you insist on comparing apples with oranges.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #70 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 8:37pm

Frank wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 6:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Poor Frank, reduced to relying on Monty sketches, for support....

And now Elvis; you could try raising the intellectual standards supporting your ideology.... but on reflection your previous attempts have been a failure, as must be the outcome of any attempt to rationalize Western Conservatism (or Liberalism...).

When you are ready to support an international rules- based system, consigning the obsolete concept of absolute national sovereignty to the dust-bin of history, let me know.

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Reply #71 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 9:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 8:37pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 6:35pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:58pm:

Poor Frank, reduced to relying on Monty sketches, for support....

And now Elvis; you could try raising the intellectual standards supporting your ideology.... but on reflection your previous attempts have been a failure, as must be the outcome of any attempt to rationalize Western Conservatism (or Liberalism...).

When you are ready to support an international rules- based system, consigning the obsolete concept of absolute national sovereignty to the dust-bin of history, let me know.

You are a mindless Chinese mong.

Disprove that, bozo. How would an international rules based system change you from a fccn idiot into an intelligent, thoughtful and articulate person?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #72 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 7:07am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 8:29pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 5:03pm:

Were you unaware that our unemployed get paid more than twice as much as a typical Chinese person earns? Been drinking the CCP coolaid?

Let me know if you are having difficulty understanding the question.

You are obviously incapable of understanding the process of lifting 1.4 billion people out of absolute poverty.

Hence you insist on comparing apples with oranges.

You are the one who made the comparison. You said poverty is entrenched in the west. Yet here in Australia we are far wealthier than the Chinese, with a more equal distribution of wealth. We are closer to the socialist ideal than China. Do you think it is a bit hypocritical to suggest poverty is entrenched here, when you are so far below us?

Also, you keep bringing up the large population excuse, but you always run away when asked to explain why it is relevant.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #73 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 10:58am

Frank wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 9:42pm:

You are a mindless Chinese mong.

Disprove that, bozo.

That's not debate, nor is it relevant what race I am.

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How would an international rules based system change you from a fccn idiot into an intelligent, thoughtful and articulate person?

That's not relevant either.

What is relevant is the contradiction between absolute national sovereignty and an international rules-based system.

Hence we see the pro-Western Ukraine fools demanding to join the obsolete anti-Russian NATO "freedom" ideologues.
Putin would have accepted an assurance by Ukraine it did not intend to join NATO.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12579 Gender:	Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west Reply #74 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 11:48am An example of the CCP's propaganda slaves, known as wumao or little pinks.
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