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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #75 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 10:58am:

Frank wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 9:42pm:

You are a mindless Chinese mong.

Disprove that, bozo.

That's not debate, nor is it relevant what race I am.

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How would an international rules based system change you from a fccn idiot into an intelligent, thoughtful and articulate person?

That's not relevant either.

What is relevant is the contradiction between absolute national sovereignty and an international rules-based system.

Hence we see the pro-Western Ukraine fools demanding to join the obsolete anti-Russian NATO "freedom" ideologues.
Putin would have accepted an assurance by Ukraine it did not intend to join NATO.

Do you think poverty is entrenched in the west?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #76 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:15pm

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Do you think poverty is entrenched in the west?

Of course.

From the horse's mouth, Trump himself (re US black ghettos):

"you are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison...."

Entrenched.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #77 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Do you think poverty is entrenched in the west?

Of course.

From the horse's mouth, Trump himself (re US black ghettos):

"you are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison...."

Entrenched.

So black ghettos in the US are "the West".

So stupid, it must be your idea. No, wait, you are just a paid little Chinese shill. It's must be your oberstrumfuhrer's idea (or whatever you call your boss in the agit-prop typing pool).

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #78 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:59pm

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:31pm:

So black ghettos in the US are "the West".

Indeed, in the very citadel, the "Shining Light on the Hill" of Western democracy.

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So stupid, it must be your idea. No, wait, you are just a paid little Chinese shill. It's must be your oberstrumfuhrer's idea (or whatever you call your boss in the agit-prop typing pool).

Moreover, 1 in 6 kids are STILL living in poverty in Oz (google it), 30 years after Bob Hawke said "no child need be living in poverty"...

And Paris? You won't make it far from a Paris rail station without being accosted by beggars.

By definition, the current neoliberal system MUST entrench poverty (in the absence of high taxation, as in the Nordic countries which are nevertheless not free of poverty) because unemployment is used as a tool to manage inflation, in the dysfunctional NAIRU Western economies.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #79 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 4:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:59pm:

And Paris? You won't make it far from a Paris rail station without being accosted by beggars.

Or Melbourne.... or Bangkok.....

Police have charged seven people over an alleged "professional begging" operation in which elderly Chinese people were flown to Melbourne on tourist visas to target passers-by in the CBD.

Officers charged a group of seven Chinese nationals with begging and possessing property suspected of being the proceeds of crime during a targeted operation in the city centre on Monday and Tuesday.

Police said they arrested three women aged 65, 67 and 71 and two men aged 68 and 72.
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Earlier this year the Bangkok Post reported that six Chinese nationals, including three in wheelchairs, were arrested for begging on Bangkok's streets.

All had entered the country on tourist visas and most had overstayed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-05/melbourne-cbd-professional-beggars-charged-by-police/11280738

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #80 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 4:49pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Do you think poverty is entrenched in the west?

Of course.

From the horse's mouth, Trump himself (re US black ghettos):

"you are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison...."

Entrenched.

Is it entrenched in China?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #81 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 5:00pm

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 4:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 1:37pm:

Do you think poverty is entrenched in the west?

Of course.

From the horse's mouth, Trump himself (re US black ghettos):

"you are living in poverty, your neighborhoods are like war zones, your schools and hospitals are broken, your young men are in prison...."

Entrenched.

Is it entrenched in China?

No, not entrenched. China is lifting the largest number of people out of absolute poverty at the fastest rate in history, which means it will be able to achieve its goal of "a prosperous socialist society in all respects" by mid-century; whereas poverty will still be entrenched in most Western countries (except possibly those who have high taxation rates).

By definition, the current Western neoliberal system MUST entrench poverty (in the absence of high taxation, as in the Nordic countries which are nevertheless not free of poverty) because unemployment is used as a tool to manage inflation, in the dysfunctional NAIRU Western economies.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #82 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 5:04pm

Can you explain how, if poverty is entrenched in the west, but not in China, our unemployed get paid more than twice as much as the median Chinese wage? And most western countries have more equal distribution of wealth than China?

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By definition, the current Western neoliberal system MUST entrench poverty (in the absence of high taxation, as in the Nordic countries which are nevertheless not free of poverty) because unemployment is used as a tool to manage inflation

Whose definition is this?

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #83 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 5:12pm

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Or Melbourne.... or Bangkok.....

Police have charged seven people over an alleged "professional begging" operation in which elderly Chinese people were flown to Melbourne on tourist visas to target passers-by in the CBD.

Officers charged a group of seven Chinese nationals with begging and possessing property suspected of being the proceeds of crime during a targeted operation in the city centre on Monday and Tuesday.

Police said they arrested three women aged 65, 67 and 71 and two men aged 68 and 72.
....

Earlier this year the Bangkok Post reported that six Chinese nationals, including three in wheelchairs, were arrested for begging on Bangkok's streets.

All had entered the country on tourist visas and most had overstayed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-05/melbourne-cbd-professional-beggars-charged-by-police/11280738

Or New York or Detroit, or everywhere and anywhere in our broken world.

Trump of course undoubtedly caused pain in China as he crippled large Chinese companies like Huawei, but it seems the trade war is backfiring because the US-China trade deficit in still increasing in China's favor.

Meanwhile the whole world loses, with reduced supply chains and higher prices.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #84 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 9:26pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 5:12pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 4:39pm:

Or Melbourne.... or Bangkok.....

Police have charged seven people over an alleged "professional begging" operation in which elderly Chinese people were flown to Melbourne on tourist visas to target passers-by in the CBD.

Officers charged a group of seven Chinese nationals with begging and possessing property suspected of being the proceeds of crime during a targeted operation in the city centre on Monday and Tuesday.

Police said they arrested three women aged 65, 67 and 71 and two men aged 68 and 72.
....

Earlier this year the Bangkok Post reported that six Chinese nationals, including three in wheelchairs, were arrested for begging on Bangkok's streets.

All had entered the country on tourist visas and most had overstayed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-05/melbourne-cbd-professional-beggars-charged-by-police/11280738

Or New York or Detroit, or everywhere and anywhere in our broken world.

Trump of course undoubtedly caused pain in China as he crippled large Chinese companies like Huawei, but it seems the trade war is backfiring because the US-China trade deficit in still increasing in China's favor.

Meanwhile the whole world loses, with reduced supply chains and higher prices.

China is fccd, its days in the sun are over. An international pariah for the next few decades.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #85 - Mar 21^st, 2022 at 8:43am

Thegreatdivide explained:

Why Carl Schmitt Matters to China
Uncovering the pathology of Schmitt Fever.

Schmitt’s ideas continue to influence thinkers across the political spectrum, no example of which is straightforward. Theorists of many persuasions are attracted to Schmitt’s view that liberalism tends toward “depoliticizations” and “neutralizations”––in other words, the banality of positivist-technocratic evil.
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the essence of Schmitt’s ideas about politics, culture, law, and society are deployed in China either “as justifications for the total power of the state and the elimination of challenges from civil society…or, alternatively, as articulating dissatisfaction with…the possibilities afforded by Western liberalism.”

https://hedgehogreview.com/web-features/thr/posts/why-carl-schmitt-matters-to-ch...

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #86 - Mar 21^st, 2022 at 1:55pm

Frank wrote on Mar 21^st, 2022 at 8:43am:

Thegreatdivide explained:

Why Carl Schmitt Matters to China
Uncovering the pathology of Schmitt Fever.

Schmitt’s ideas continue to influence thinkers across the political spectrum, no example of which is straightforward. Theorists of many persuasions are attracted to Schmitt’s view that liberalism tends toward “depoliticizations” and “neutralizations”––in other words, the banality of positivist-technocratic evil.
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the essence of Schmitt’s ideas about politics, culture, law, and society are deployed in China either “as justifications for the total power of the state and the elimination of challenges from civil society…or, alternatively, as articulating dissatisfaction with…the possibilities afforded by Western liberalism.”

https://hedgehogreview.com/web-features/thr/posts/why-carl-schmitt-matters-to-ch...

Fully explored in the "Western Culture" thread, today. (21 March).

Your love of the law of the jungle (entrenched by delusional classical liberalism) in the age of MAD is ...genocidal.

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Re: CCP stooges: less poverty in China than the west
Reply #88 - Mar 21^st, 2022 at 2:08pm

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 5:04pm:

Can you explain how, if poverty is entrenched in the west, but not in China, our unemployed get paid more than twice as much as the median Chinese wage?

Western countries were already wealthy when the USSR collapsed, yet poverty was and is entrenched.

Whereas 90% of Chinese were living in absolute poverty at that time; and now 400 million Chinese are in the middle class, and absolute poverty has been eradicated. It's recognized the world over as an "economic miracle'.

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And most western countries have more equal distribution of wealth than China?

Yet the lowest decile in China has advanced in the last 30 years more than the lowest decile in the US, over the same time.

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Whose definition is this?

The neoliberal definition: NAIRU = non-accelerating inflation rate of unemployment.

It's false neoliberal narrative. Inflation need not be contained by unemployment.

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