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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #105 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #106 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

So, no, then.

'The right' has become a dysphemism for anyone who disagrees with the writer. Evidently it has no intrinsic meaning.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #107 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion".

Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #108 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:06pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion".

Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement.

CRT is taught to a small number of Law students in an optional post graduate course.

Of the 350 odd million Americans like one or two thousand people may have done this course with 99% of them never following up on that education.

This is not something rampant in education in fact with the exception of this course and one or two other very small examples it does not exist in the general education system at all.

All the states reacting to the untrue claim are making laws to prevent their students from being told the truth about American history, multiple States are insisting that their students are told lies but protecting students from the truth is in reality unrelated to CRT.

It is more about the fact that scaring republican supporters is worth votes.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #109 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:12pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion".

Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement.

CRT is taught to a small number of Law students in an optional post graduate course.

Of the 350 odd million Americans like one or two thousand people may have done this course with 99% of them never following up on that education.

This is not something rampant in education in fact with the exception of this course and one or two other very small examples it does not exist in the general education system at all.

All the states reacting to the untrue claim are making laws to prevent their students from being told the truth about American history, multiple States are insisting that their students are told lies but protecting students from the truth is in reality unrelated to CRT.

It is more about the fact that scaring republican supporters is worth votes.

And yet you and I talk about it on the other side of the world with quite a bit of passion. Why are YOU so interested in it if it is really so marginal and insignificant, like macrame or sock puppetry. Please explain your personal investment in something so irrelevant. GO on.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #110 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:20pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 9:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 7:25pm:

The people who hate CRT don't even know what it is.

This has been proven over and over again.

The same goes for socialism.

Uneducated, right-wing sheep.

Not all people people who hate CRT don't know what it is; ...

Incorrect.

They have no smacking idea.

Morons.

How could you know that?

Can you define 'the right'?

Indeed.

Uneducated morons who hate CRT but have no idea what CRT actually is.

Any other questions?

It's only uncultivated morons like you who consistently, fetishistically appeal to "education" as an authority you can worship from afar. What you morons mean, of course, is organised indoctrination. Cultivating your independent minds - real education - is anathema to you. What you fetishise is group think, falling in line, accepting the 'current truth". Thinking for yourselves would be an act of "far right insurrectionist rebellion".

Disagreement with you is the biggest threat to your self-perceptions. You can't bear disagreement.

CRT is taught to a small number of Law students in an optional post graduate course.

Of the 350 odd million Americans like one or two thousand people may have done this course with 99% of them never following up on that education.

This is not something rampant in education in fact with the exception of this course and one or two other very small examples it does not exist in the general education system at all.

All the states reacting to the untrue claim are making laws to prevent their students from being told the truth about American history, multiple States are insisting that their students are told lies but protecting students from the truth is in reality unrelated to CRT.

It is more about the fact that scaring republican supporters is worth votes.

And yet you and I talk about it on the other side of the world with quite a bit of passion. Why are YOU so interested in it if it is really so marginal and insignificant, like macrame or sock puppetry. Please explain your personal investment in something so irrelevant. GO on.

Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system.

You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #111 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:03am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:20pm:

Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system.

You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it.

There are multiple reports of teachers resigning or being fired for refusing to accept CRT curricula.

Here's one:

Connecticut elementary school teacher resigns over critical race theory curriculum

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/09/02/teacher-quits-over-crit...

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #112 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:48am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 6:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:27am:

CRT's proposal that racial discrimination (in the over-simplistic American term of the word) is the result of a social construct that can be surgically removed by social engineering, requires a gross misunderstanding of human nature.

Humans instinctively discriminate between ingroups and outgroups. That's true with religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, even down to sports team rivalry; and it is ineradicable.

This has been proven scientifically. A person's reaction to an outgroup can be measured by MRI. The amygdalic reaction to an outgroup comes before reasoning and almost instantly. Higher brain functioning can and does moderate the reaction, but not before the instinctive reaction is noticeable.

Just so. You can't stop racism, no?

How about we just become jolly old racists? We'll come here, spam the board with our Daily Mail articles, our drunken Boong videos and memes about Nig Nogs. If anyone raises racism, we'll say, wacist? Moi?

How very dare you!

I say we all give it a go. Starting from - now.

I thought you were better than that.

Of course ethno-chauvinism is unjust.

But what cannot be done is for ethno-chauvinism to be socially engineered out of another's psyche.

Legislation does not alter the human instinct to discriminate; it just proscribes against acting on those instincts - as it should.

What CRT is about is making the claim that 'once an oppressor, always an oppressor unless you undergo a conversion therapy requiring permanent self-loathing and being mindful of the actions of those who've gone before, whether or not they were actually your ancestors - they were, at least, your skin colour.

What can be taught is that we all have the instinct to discriminate with nearly everything imaginable and we must learn to be aware of it, such that our higher faculties can moderate our initial instinctive reaction.

You think Fwank's higher faculties will moderate his initial instinctive reaction? He's aghast at the very "pwemise". Ethno-chauvinism?

How very dare you.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #113 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 7:39am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:20pm:

Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system.

You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it.

There are multiple reports of teachers resigning or being fired for refusing to accept CRT curricula.

Here's one:

Connecticut elementary school teacher resigns over critical race theory curriculum

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/09/02/teacher-quits-over-crit...

Yes, right wing teachers are idiots and best removed from the system. The school was not teaching CRT. She was upset they told kids what racism is.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #114 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 7:57am

'Racism' is a a hackneyed term that has come to refer to a very limited form of discrimination - usually via skin colour and ethnic physical features.

Humans instinctively discriminate on everything (particularly if their manifestation is evident), with ethnicity (particular colour and ethnic physical features), culture, nationality and religion topping a list which also includes health status, foreignness, socio-economic status, gender, physical disability, psychiatric disorders, morality, sexuality, political sensibility - on anything that is possible to discern or intuit.

Discrimination is the norm in human nature, not the exception - anything that can separate those within an ingroup and those in an outgroup. Anyone only has to remember the playground as a child (or read many of the posts here) to intuit this is true.

Enlightened and advanced societies do and must do what they can to suppress this instinct, but it cannot be done by denying human predisposition towards unjust discrimination or by imagining that this predisposition can be socially engineered away.

It can only be moderated by encouraging people to become aware of this inherent predisposition in all of us and devise honest ways to train higher brain functioning to do what higher brain functioning can do: moderate or cancel the initial reaction to encounter with a perceived outgroup.

Honest training does not include imposing unjust guilt complexes or instilling self-loathing in those who reactively express instinctive discrimination. And this aspiration towards higher-mindedness towards others has always been with us; expressed through versions of the golden rule found in different permutations within all societies.

The ancient amd enduring golden rule, with the integration into the psyche of Martin Luther King's personal golden rule - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #115 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:01am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 7:57am:

'Racism' is a a hackneyed term that has come to refer to a very limited form of discrimination - usually via skin colour and ethnic physical features.

Humans instinctively discriminate on everything (particularly if their manifestation is evident), with ethnicity (particular colour and ethnic physical features), culture, nationality and religion topping a list which also includes health status, foreignness, socio-economic status, gender, physical disability, psychiatric disorders, morality, sexuality, political sensibility - on anything that is possible to discern or intuit.

Discrimination is the norm in human nature, not the exception - anything that can separate those within an ingroup and those in an outgroup. Anyone only has to remember the playground as a child (or read many of the posts here) to intuit this is true.

Enlightened and advanced societies do and must do what they can to suppress this instinct, but it cannot be done by denying human predisposition towards unjust discrimination or by imagining that this predisposition can be socially engineered away.

It can only be moderated by encouraging people to become aware of this inherent predisposition in all of us and devise honest ways to train higher brain functioning to do what higher brain functioning can do: moderate or cancel the initial reaction to encounter with a perceived outgroup.

Honest training does not include imposing unjust guilt complexes or instilling self-loathing in those who reactively express instinctive discrimination. And this aspiration towards higher-mindedness towards others has always been with us; expressed through versions of the golden rule found in different permutations within all societies.

The ancient amd enduring golden rule, with the integration into the psyche of Martin Luther King's personal golden rule - Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

No one is impressing guilt on anyone. The right simply love racism and hate it being negated. CRT is another right wing fantasy, another way to say the quiet part out loud and try to not look racist.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #116 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:02am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 7:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 12:03am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 10:20pm:

Lying about CRT is one of the primary conservative scare campaigns in the US. I never said it is insignificant (it could be very significant) it just has nothing to do with over 90% of the negative claims made against it and it dose not exist in lower levels of the US education system.

You only need to look through this topic to see how many people make huge passionate anti CRT arguments based on pure fiction. So many here openly show off their ignorance and seem very proud of it.

There are multiple reports of teachers resigning or being fired for refusing to accept CRT curricula.

Here's one:

Connecticut elementary school teacher resigns over critical race theory curriculum

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2021/09/02/teacher-quits-over-crit...

Yes, right wing teachers are idiots and best removed from the system. The school was not teaching CRT. She was upset they told kids what racism is.

Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary?

I suspect you're trying to co-opt CRT to justify gender issues.

There is no such thing as 'right wing'.

Another one for you to pretend to comprehend.

I Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinated

https://www.commonsense.news/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #117 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:08am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:01am:

No one is impressing guilt on anyone. The right simply love racism and hate it being negated. CRT is another right wing fantasy, another way to say the quiet part out loud and try to not look racist.

You are not intellectually sophisticated enough to take on this subject.

If you're hoping that advocating for the likes of CRT will ameliorate your issues with gender (which is evident that you are) you'll fail. When CRT is outed as the witchcraft that it is, there will be a backlash that will worsen your outcomes.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #118 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:13am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:02am:

Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary?

Wait - two people here have morals???
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I suspect you're trying to co-opt CRT to justify gender issues.

Then you're a real idiot. How are they related? We talk mostly about gender issues because you all cry about cock, but I am as anti racist as I am anti transphobia.
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There is no such thing as 'right wing'.

You want me to just say fascist? *shrug* fine. So there's no such thing as politics?
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Another one for you to pretend to comprehend.

I Refuse to Stand By While My Students Are Indoctrinated

https://www.commonsense.news/p/i-refuse-to-stand-by-while-my-students

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-common-sense-show/

This is the closest I could get to common sense news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss

Certainly it's run by a right wing idiot. What is it with boomers and the capacity to source credible information on the internet?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12802 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #119 - Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:15am FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:13am: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 17^th, 2022 at 8:02am: Are you an alter-ego of greggerypeccary? Wait - two people here have morals??? Not morals - an agenda.
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