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Reply #210 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:23pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:49pm:
Yeah, spears and axes only.


Better: police working with elders and government to fix problems before they turn into riots.

(...Won't cost you a thing, promise...)
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Reply #211 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:46pm
 
Panther wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 2:13pm:
Geee, it seems that only the demon-RATS (U.S.Liberals) & Labor seem to be trying to convince everyone that they aren't the leprous LEFT,


No that's only YOU  trying to convince us that the mainstream Left (Dems and Labor) are "leprous", as opposed to the virtuous (!) Right.   

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& it seems that most of their denialist propaganda is being funneled through the main-stream-media.....who just so happen are usually heavily biased in favor of the demon-RATS (U.S.Liberals) & Labor.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Fox News failing to command audience share?
In Oz, the RW mainstream media is alive and kicking, though Murdoch completely failed to influence the electorate in the last election. 

I differ from FTLW on media: I see the mainstream media,  "Left" or Right" as leprous**, though Murdoch is the most  leprous of all.

**because they all push the dead-end line that "(currency-issuing) government must balance its budget", which plays straight in the hands of the Right.   

Eg Senator Manchin (Dem.) has wrecked even the most pitifully tiny  of Biden's spending proposals, on the false narrative of limiting government debt


 
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Reply #212 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:46pm
 
Weiss is correct in her diagnosis and in her identification of the underpinnings of the new ideology replacing liberalism. She describes it as “a mixture of postmodernism, postcolonialism, identity politics, neo-Marxism, critical race theory, intersectionality, and the therapeutic mentality,” to which we should add at least a few drops of the Rousseauian assignment of primacy to instinct, emotion, intuition, feelings, and passion over reason and evidence. The only place her description leaves anything to be desired is in her claim that “No one has yet decided on the name for the force that has come to unseat liberalism.” That may well be the case in that we haven’t decided on the name we’ll use for this ideology, but it does have a name. This ideology is called by at least some of its proponents by the name “Critical Social Justice.” In short, Critical Social Justice—colloquially “Wokeness”—is a toxic fusion of cherry-picked aspects of the many lines of thought just identified, each chosen for its practical utility in advancing its particular line of fundamentally anti-liberal activism.
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Society is divided into many different cultural groups defined in terms of the members’ homogenized identities, meaning low-resolution “socially constructed” demographic categories like “white,” “black,” “gay,” “trans,” “brown,” and so on. These are said to “intersect” in “complex” ways, and each lies upon an axis that places some groups on opposite sides of a simplistic Marxian oppressor-versus-oppressed conflict. Oppression is understood only systemically and is indicated only by the phenomenological “lived experience” of harm, offense, and discomfort identified by any member of a group Theory defines as oppressed. Such a claim is unassailable and falls upon society with a warrant to reorganize itself to avoid any possibility of that sense of hurt ever arising again. All of those who are sufficiently oppressed are as a single capital-O “Other,” and everyone else has a moral obligation to be in solidarity with them in all possible circumstances.

This worldview has a consequence: “victimhood,” defined as above and only as above, becomes high currency that will be vied for. Intersectionality, now arguably 43 years old (and certainly at least 31), is the set of ideas and practices, for as a practice it is defined, that grades claims of victimhood according to an outline laid down formally in 1990 rather ominously (or histrionically) called The Matrix of Domination. It is in this place that Critical Social Justice’s Jewish problem exists, because Jews present an intolerable paradox to the Theory.




The rest here: https://newdiscourses.com/2020/10/critical-race-theorys-jewish-problem/

Good analysis.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #213 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:49pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:23pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:49pm:
Yeah, spears and axes only.


Better: police working with elders and government to fix problems before they turn into riots.

(...Won't cost you a thing, promise...)



Oh, those fabled 'elders'.  Their voices do not seem to be heard or respected by their own people.



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Reply #214 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:46pm:
Good analysis.


Not likely, I will demolish this conservative RW harangue, as I always do, though the prospect of your usual reply (eg "go f**k yourself"....doesn't inspire me.  Nevertheless, someone has to do the work of revealing the horrific outcomes of the Right's un-thinking self-interest, and "freedom values" based on "rights" which don't exist in nature. 

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #215 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:00pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:23pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:49pm:
Yeah, spears and axes only.


Better: police working with elders and government to fix problems before they turn into riots.

(...Won't cost you a thing, promise...)

Oh, those fabled 'elders'.  Their voices do not seem to be heard or respected by their own people.


In that case, the police will need to be supported by sensible government intervention, which won't cost you a thing, I promise....
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Reply #216 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:03pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:00pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:49pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:23pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 3:49pm:
Yeah, spears and axes only.


Better: police working with elders and government to fix problems before they turn into riots.

(...Won't cost you a thing, promise...)

Oh, those fabled 'elders'.  Their voices do not seem to be heard or respected by their own people.


In that case, the police will need to be supported by sensible government intervention, which won't cost you a thing, I promise....

So no more of the welcome to country genuflections to useless 'elders', then.


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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #217 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:05pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:46pm:
Good analysis.


Not likely, I will demolish this conservative RW harangue, as I always do, though the prospect of your usual reply (eg "go f**k yourself"....doesn't inspire me.  Nevertheless, someone has to do the work of revealing the horrific outcomes of the Right's un-thinking self-interest, and "freedom values" based on "rights" which don't exist in nature. 


Yeah, you mean repeat your monomaniacal nonsense about the CCP and MMT and job guarantee and....common pros.... aaanddd ....   ZZzzzz........


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Reply #218 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 5:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 4:46pm:
Weiss is correct in her diagnosis and in her identification of the underpinnings of the new ideology replacing liberalism. She describes it as “a mixture of postmodernism, postcolonialism, identity politics, neo-Marxism, critical race theory, intersectionality, and the therapeutic mentality,” to which we should add at least a few drops of the Rousseauian assignment of primacy to instinct, emotion, intuition, feelings, and passion over reason and evidence.


Re the "new ideology' replacing  "liberalism"... in Weiss's estimation? ie, the liberal "Left"?  What about the "liberal" (conservative) Right?

Can you please clarify what strawman she is banging on about?

Certainly, Conservatism has itself to blame for the 40% of Americans who are, at best, living paycheck to paycheck, the very definition  of chronic financial stress. .
Hence the search for a "new ideology.

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The only place her description leaves anything to be desired is in her claim that “No one has yet decided on the name for the force that has come to unseat liberalism.


Ahha, so liberalism seems to mean conservatism (which is being unseated)... see what wankers these self-proclaimed intellectuals are. 

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That may well be the case in that we haven’t decided on the name we’ll use for this ideology, but it does have a name.


No kidding, we have been asking every day for definitions,  from ideologues like freediver and Meister who always duck for cover .

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This ideology is called by at least some of its proponents by the name “Critical Social Justice.” In short, Critical Social Justice—colloquially “Wokeness”


Why not simply : "an economy that works for all"(B. Sanders)

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—is a toxic fusion of cherry-picked aspects of the many lines of thought just identified, each chosen for its practical utility in advancing its particular line of fundamentally [highlight]anti-liberal activism.[/highlight]


er...she means  anti-conservative activism...

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Society is divided into many different cultural groups


That's because the Left and the Right don't understand the reasons - namely,  the current dysfunctional mainstream neoliberal economics - why a very large minority of the population are in permanent chronic financial stress; and hence everyone goes looking in the wrong places, eg, race, gender, class, education, identity etc. 

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why a very large o defined in terms of the members’ homogenized identities, meaning low-resolution “socially constructed” demographic categories like “white,” “black,” “gay,” “trans,” “brown,” and so on. These are said to “intersect” in “complex” ways, and each lies upon an axis that places some groups on opposite sides of a simplistic Marxian oppressor-versus-oppressed conflict. Oppression is understood only systemically and is indicated only by the phenomenological “lived experience” of harm, offense, and discomfort identified by any member of a group Theory defines as oppressed. Such a claim is unassailable and falls upon society with a warrant to reorganize itself to avoid any possibility of that sense of hurt ever arising again. All of those who are sufficiently oppressed are as a single capital-O “Other,” and everyone else has a moral obligation to be in solidarity with them in all possible circumstances.

This worldview has a consequence: “victimhood,” defined as above and only as above, becomes high currency that will be vied for. Intersectionality, now arguably 43 years old (and certainly at least 31), is the set of ideas and practices, for as a practice it is defined, that grades claims of victimhood according to an outline laid down formally in 1990 rather ominously (or histrionically) called The Matrix of Domination. It is in this place that Critical Social Justice’s Jewish problem exists, because Jews present an intolerable paradox to the Theory.


All this confusion, rancour, verbacious intellectualism,   and diversion are explained above: neoliberal economics, accepted as economic truth, pitting everyone against one-another, in a dog eat dog competition for survival, under the cloak of  "Conservatism".   

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Good analysis.


I told you I would demolish it with ease.

Now...surprise me with your well considered response (.....)
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Reply #219 - Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:28pm
 
Teachers are quitting in droves because of Don't Say Gay and Critical Race Theory bullshit. So they have to lower the standards, especially in the red states, so now Arizona no longer requires teachers to have a university degree.

Yet these same "conservatives" will complain that the "liberals" are destroying education. It seems to me that there are forces in America that are engineering an even more ignorant population who can be exploited for political gain.

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Reply #220 - Jul 18th, 2022 at 3:38pm
 
AiA wrote on Jul 17th, 2022 at 10:28pm:
Teachers are quitting in droves because of Don't Say Gay and Critical Race Theory bullshit. So they have to lower the standards, especially in the red states, so now Arizona no longer requires teachers to have a university degree.

Yet these same "conservatives" will complain that the "liberals" are destroying education. It seems to me that there are forces in America that are engineering an even more ignorant population who can be exploited for political gain.



What and regress to a point to be more like Australia?
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Reply #221 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 2:37pm
 
Women's Rights

BIDEN’S TRANSGENDER ASSISTANT HEALTH SECRETARY RACHEL LEVINE AND GENDER FLUID “PUP HANDLER” SAM BRINTON ATTEND FRENCH AMBASSADOR’S BASTILLE DAY PARTY


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Joe Biden’s transgender Assistant Health Secretary Dr. Rachel (Richard) Levine and newly hired DOE employee Sam Brinton celebrated Bastille Day at the French Ambassador’s residence.

Sam Brinton is a “non-binary” drag queen into “kink” with “they/them” pronouns.  Brinton is also a “pup handler”. Sam Brinton wore a blue dress with bright blue heels and Rachel Levine wore his admiral’s uniform, pantyhose and heels.

“Week 4 On The Job: Champagne and Celebration with the French Ambassador in his residence for Bastille Day. (But also the amazing opportunity to connect with one of the only other transgender government officials, Admiral Levine – not gonna lie, it felt great to commiserate with a fellow trans person facing the hate.)” Sam Brinton said on Instagram.






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Reply #222 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 2:39pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 2:37pm:
Women's Rights

BIDEN’S TRANSGENDER ASSISTANT HEALTH SECRETARY RACHEL LEVINE AND GENDER FLUID “PUP HANDLER” SAM BRINTON ATTEND FRENCH AMBASSADOR’S BASTILLE DAY PARTY


Joe Biden’s transgender Assistant Health Secretary Dr. Rachel (Richard) Levine and newly hired DOE employee Sam Brinton celebrated Bastille Day at the French Ambassador’s residence.

Sam Brinton is a “non-binary” drag queen into “kink” with “they/them” pronouns.  Brinton is also a “pup handler”. Sam Brinton wore a blue dress with bright blue heels and Rachel Levine wore his admiral’s uniform, pantyhose and heels.

“Week 4 On The Job: Champagne and Celebration with the French Ambassador in his residence for Bastille Day. (But also the amazing opportunity to connect with one of the only other transgender government officials, Admiral Levine – not gonna lie, it felt great to commiserate with a fellow trans person facing the hate.)” Sam Brinton said on Instagram.


so what?
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Reply #223 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 3:34pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 2:39pm:
so what?


Frank needs all this diversion because he can't defend Conservatism. (he ignored #218, probably a good move...)

Funny how Conservatives accuse the Left of identity politics. 
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Reply #224 - Jul 19th, 2022 at 4:16pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 2:39pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 19th, 2022 at 2:37pm:
Women's Rights

BIDEN’S TRANSGENDER ASSISTANT HEALTH SECRETARY RACHEL LEVINE AND GENDER FLUID “PUP HANDLER” SAM BRINTON ATTEND FRENCH AMBASSADOR’S BASTILLE DAY PARTY


Joe Biden’s transgender Assistant Health Secretary Dr. Rachel (Richard) Levine and newly hired DOE employee Sam Brinton celebrated Bastille Day at the French Ambassador’s residence.

Sam Brinton is a “non-binary” drag queen into “kink” with “they/them” pronouns.  Brinton is also a “pup handler”. Sam Brinton wore a blue dress with bright blue heels and Rachel Levine wore his admiral’s uniform, pantyhose and heels.

“Week 4 On The Job: Champagne and Celebration with the French Ambassador in his residence for Bastille Day. (But also the amazing opportunity to connect with one of the only other transgender government officials, Admiral Levine – not gonna lie, it felt great to commiserate with a fellow trans person facing the hate.)” Sam Brinton said on Instagram.


so what?


Maybe blue isn't Frank's colour   Undecided
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