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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #30 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:33am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:56pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 8:46pm:

Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is.

It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it

Well, what is socialism?
What is CRT?

Explain. Don't run, hide, dissemble. You pretend to know. Be equal to your pose. Explain.

Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #31 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:39am Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:33am: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27-LIBX4AwLUYP?.jpg Boomers lying about Venezuela is so 2020
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46462 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #32 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 9:25am There is no such thing as a straight person of colour. To be heterosexual is to be white-adjacent. Straight black people are the white people of black people.
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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #33 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 9:31am Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 9:25am: There is no such thing as a straight person of colour. To be heterosexual is to be white-adjacent. Straight black people are the white people of black people. Boomer
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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #34 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:25am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Frank wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 9:56pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 14^th, 2022 at 8:46pm:

Yes but they know that they would still hate it if they did understand what it is.

It's actually genius, the right often offer to prevent things that are not happening. Which means they MUST be able to claim they did it

Well, what is socialism?
What is CRT?

Explain. Don't run, hide, dissemble. You pretend to know. Be equal to your pose. Explain.

Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Good reply to Frank, let's see what his response is.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #35 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

Americans of slave origin have only their colour to identify their ethnicity.

Within non-slave-descent communities, there are multiple identities: original nationality, specific ethnicity and religion, being the top three.

Almost no 'white' person identifies only as being white.

So, the premise upon which CRT is founded is skewed and flawed by a specific American experience.

Who would argue against the notion that the English and the Irish (both white) had a special degree of hate in their heart for one another? Nothing to do with colour.

Or the catholics and protestants. Christians and Muslims. Christian Europeans and Jews.

Among native American (and other) tribes, animosity can be found (yet all are of the same ethnicity).

Between the French and the English (which nearly caused Quebec to secede from Canada).

And on it goes.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #36 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

Americans of slave origin have only their colour to identify their ethnicity.

Within non-slave-descent communities, there are multiple identities: original nationality, specific ethnicity and religion, being the top three.

Almost no 'white' person identifies only as being white.

So, the premise upon which CRT is founded is skewed and flawed by a specific American experience.

Who would argue against the notion that the English and the Irish (both white) had a special degree of hate in their heart for one another? Nothing to do with colour.

Or the catholics and protestants. Christians and Muslims. Christian Europeans and Jews.

Among native American (and other) tribes, animosity can be found (yet all are of the same ethnicity).

Between the French and the English (which nearly caused Quebec to secede from Canada).

And on it goes.

There's a grain of truth amongst this BS, it is true that african slaves were ripped from their backgrounds. That is true, and it affects them today. CRT is still not being used to teach in high schools

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #37 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:09pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money

More like it's the notion that personal gain should not be at the cost of communal wellbeing.

Democratic socialism (as practised throughout Europe and Australia, New Zealand and Canada), allows for the human instinct for acquisition, but not above ensuring absolute poverty is avoided among the majority.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #38 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:10pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:09pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

Socialism is hte idea people matter more than money

More like it's the notion that personal gain should not be at the cost of communal wellbeing.

In social democracy (as practised throughout Europe and Australia, New Zealand and Canada), allows for the human instinct for acquisition, but not above ensuring absolute poverty is avoided among the majority.

All over the world, society is only livable because of the implementation of socialism. For example. the idea that common folk could own houses was created precisely to stop people becoming socialists

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #39 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:13pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

But....

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-und...

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

By Stephen Sawchuk — May 18, 2021 10 min read

"Is “critical race theory” a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy, or a divisive discourse that pits people of color against white people? Liberals and conservatives are in sharp disagreement.

Hmmm....I smell a rat, not to mention RW defense of economic disadvantage...

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #40 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:16pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

Americans of slave origin have only their colour to identify their ethnicity.

Within non-slave-descent communities, there are multiple identities: original nationality, specific ethnicity and religion, being the top three.

Almost no 'white' person identifies only as being white.

So, the premise upon which CRT is founded is skewed and flawed by a specific American experience.

Who would argue against the notion that the English and the Irish (both white) had a special degree of hate in their heart for one another? Nothing to do with colour.

Or the catholics and protestants. Christians and Muslims. Christian Europeans and Jews.

Among native American (and other) tribes, animosity can be found (yet all are of the same ethnicity).

Between the French and the English (which nearly caused Quebec to secede from Canada).

And on it goes.

There's a grain of truth amongst this BS, it is true that african slaves were ripped from their backgrounds. That is true, and it affects them today. CRT is still not being used to teach in high schools

No bullshit about it.

Humans naturally discriminate in a myriad of ways - including ways that would affect you.

Every society instinctively discriminates against foreigners.

There's more to it than black vs white.

Even in America that's true, such as the violent rivalry between Italian-Americans and Irish-Americans in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and among American Christians and American Jews of the same period, etc.. etc.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #41 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:16pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:13pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:00pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:03am:

CRT is a university level line of study that asks, even if you are not racist, how does past racism shape society? IT's not communist in any way, although criticial theory, which it is derived from, is a communist idea

Unfortunately CRT is infected by a purely American phenomenon which has its roots in the transatlantic annihilation of African identity.

This has led to an over-simplistic colour divide of white versus black.

But....

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/what-is-critical-race-theory-and-why-is-it-und...

What Is Critical Race Theory, and Why Is It Under Attack?

By Stephen Sawchuk — May 18, 2021 10 min read

"Is “critical race theory” a way of understanding how American racism has shaped public policy, or a divisive discourse that pits people of color against white people? Liberals and conservatives are in sharp disagreement.

Hmmm....I smell a rat, not to mention RW defense of economic disadvantage...

It is clearly the former, but it's not being used outside of universities to do that

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #42 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:23pm

Blame the welfare state, not racism, for poor blacks' problems

Thomas Sowell

That vision is nowhere more clearly expressed than in attempts to automatically depict whatever social problems exist in ghetto communities as being caused by the sins or negligence of whites, whether racism in general or a "legacy of slavery" in particular.

Like most emotionally powerful visions, it is seldom, if ever, subjected to the test of evidence.

The "legacy of slavery" argument is not just an excuse for inexcusable behavior in the ghettos. In a larger sense, it is an evasion of responsibility for the disastrous consequences of the prevailing social vision of our times, and the political policies based on that vision, over the past half century.

You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

Non-judgmental subsidies of counterproductive lifestyles are treating people as if they were livestock, to be fed and tended by others in a welfare state -- and yet expecting them to develop as human beings have developed when facing the challenges of life themselves.

https://www.pennlive.com/opinion/2015/05/poor_blacks_looking_for_someon.html

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FutureTheLeftWant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6625 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #43 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:25pm Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:23pm: Blame the welfare state, not racism, for poor blacks' problems Thomas Sowell Sowell is literally garbage wrapped in skin. I believe that he wrote this drivel.
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Reply #44 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:58pm

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 12:23pm:

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You cannot take any people, of any color, and exempt them from the requirements of civilization -- including work, behavioral standards, personal responsibility and all the other basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain -- without ruinous consequences to them and to society at large.

More RW ideology as spouted by that stupid black conservative British MP.

1. None of us can be "exempt from the requirements of civilization".

2. "including work"......except that the current evil dysfunctional neoliberal system itself DEMANDS the least advantaged (of any colour) occupy an unemployment pool to act as an inflation anchor (see the NAIRU).

3. "the basic things that the clever intelligentsia disdain"...oh, here's the populist Right's disdain of 'elites'....

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