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Reply #60 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:18pm:

Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains.

I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it.

Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer?

In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine.

Yes, you like to mistreat women and you assume that is the norm

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Reply #61 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:25pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 2:50pm:

In one sense, the teaching of Critical Race Theory is an excellent idea, given that pupils should be able to understand how this divisive and destructive ideology has managed to infiltrate all of our major cultural, political and educational institutions. What better way to explore the concept of groupthink, the corruption of academia, and the bizarre phenomenon of activists who promote racial division in the name of anti-racism, than by studying a deeply flawed and yet hugely successful text such as Robin DiAngelo’s White Fragility?

Critical Race Theory is underpinned by a number of suppositions. The first is that race is the defining principle of the structure of Western societies, and that ‘whiteness’ is the dominant system of power. Racial inequality is considered to be present in all conceivable situations, which is why literally anything can be problematised as racist, including breakfast cereals, the countryside, yoga, cycling, tipping, veganism, traffic lights, classical music, Western philosophy, free speech, interior design, orcs, mermaids, punctuality, beer, bras, botany, and even The Golden Girls.

Where racism is not immediately obvious, it must be assumed to be latent, and only those trained in Critical Race Theory are qualified to detect it. Often, when data explicitly show that racism in institutions is virtually non-existent, the notion of ‘lived experience’ – what used to be called anecdotal evidence – is invoked to prove the opposite.

CRT amounts to a belief system that is as maddening as trying to ascend a staircase designed by MC Escher. Like all offshoots of postmodern thought – such as intersectional feminism, disability studies, fat studies and queer theory – incoherence is built into CRT’s core principles. The obscurantism is part of the point. It enables the well-versed to befuddle the layman with jargon, thereby giving vacuous theories the impression of substance. Activists rely on the ambiguity as a get-out clause to make statements that are bound to be interpreted as hostile.
Titania's dad.

Just so.

" divisive and destructive ideology"

Define the ideology and explain why it's destructive. We both know you cannot. You're just crying

Read the post. Highlighted to help you.

Need red font?

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Reply #63 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:26pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:18pm:

Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains.

I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it.

Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer?

In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine.

Yes, you like to mistreat women and you assume that is the norm

Today's word (again) is non sequitur.

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Reply #64 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:31pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:18pm:

Can you walk and fart at the same time? Whatever you're hired for, it's not for your brains.

I'm very happy living in a progressive social democracy, but the only reason I can say that is because hundreds of years of progress towards where we're at allows me to say it.

Who cares what someone is if he/she discovers the cure to cancer?

In the event of an apocalypse and without the social status quo being upheld by law and the will of the people, human nature would do what it will - regress and tend towards basic normatives. In the case of gender, that normative is easy to imagine.

Yes, you like to mistreat women and you assume that is the norm

Ask your mother or better, your grandmother, about what women's rights were like only 60 years ago.

Ask your father or better, your grandfather, how well you would have fared in society only 60 years ago.

It has nothing to do with what I like, but I'm happy to live in a socially generous and equal society. But I'm aware of its fragility and that it's guaranteed to regress if not for vigilance.

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Reply #65 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:32pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

Ask your mother or better, your grandmother, about what women's rights were like only 60 years ago.

Ask your father or better, your grandfather, how well you would have fared in society only 60 years ago.

It has nothing to do with what I like, but I'm happy to live in a socially generous and equal society. But I'm aware of its fragility and that it's guaranteed to regress if not for vigilance.

Yes, this is why I will always oppose right wing scum, with force if I need to

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Reply #66 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:31pm:

Ask your mother or better, your grandmother, about what women's rights were like only 60 years ago.

Ask your father or better, your grandfather, how well you would have fared in society only 60 years ago.

It has nothing to do with what I like, but I'm happy to live in a socially generous and equal society. But I'm aware of its fragility and that it's guaranteed to regress if not for vigilance.

Yes, this is why I will always oppose right wing scum, with force if I need to

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

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Reply #67 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

America is already fascist, I agree. Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

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Reply #68 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:49pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

America is already fascist, I agree. Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

Oh?? Biden and Harris are fascists?? This must be also your own idea.

Give us another one.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #69 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:52pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

America is already fascist, I agree. Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

You're not smart enough to be capable of much else.

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Reply #70 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:52pm

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:49pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

America is already fascist, I agree. Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

Oh?? Biden and Harris are fascists?? This must be also your own idea.

Give us another one.

Christ you're worthless. LOL!! Trump was a fascist. Half the system there is fascist.

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Reply #71 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 6:00pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:52pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:49pm:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

What you do is not vigilance, it's quixotic hissy-fit invective against an imagined group you've called 'the right'.

And never mind that political sensibility is relative. From the US perspective, an Australian political conservative would be on the left relative to US conservatism.

America is already fascist, I agree. Imagine thinking that mocking you on the internet is the sum of my political expression....

Oh?? Biden and Harris are fascists?? This must be also your own idea.

Give us another one.

Christ you're worthless. LOL!! Trump was a fascist. Half the system there is fascist.

Fixed it:

LOL!! Trump was is a fascist.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #72 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 6:48pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 1:58pm:

Show me a society that has not / does not discriminate.

Quite so, society is composed of self-interested twits which we all are (Rousseau, Pascal) . But you of course think the only solution is to give free rein to individuals governed by 'inherent individual rights' which don't exist in nature That's why you refuse to even critique #157 in "Western democracy is an illusion.

[freediver admitted to being a fraud - "FTW" - when he refused to join the debate in the 'privatization' thread #24, you merely play dumb and hope noone will notice....]

Not surprisingly you made the silly comment that race is the main force dividing the US, when obviously Conservative versus "Liberal" ideology is a more significant factor, because blacks AND whites exist on either side of the ideological divide.

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You can be sure that if society as we know it collapsed, those who remain after an apocalyptic event would quickly revert to fundamental human instinct and the likes of, say, yourself as a bloke in a dress, would be lynched.

Sometimes what you say is correct....and then we would have to create Hobbes and Rousseau all over again.

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As for gender equality - it would evaporate within 10 years; and it's only within the lifetime of some still alive today that thousands of years of gender inequality ended.

This notion was a theme of John Wyndham's great novel, 'The Chrysalids' about a post-apocalyptic society that enforced a standard model of what 'god' intended a human to be. Any deviation and you were killed or outcast.

Yes, Rousseau had a vague awareness of "God" as the source of "The Social Contract".

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Reply #73 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological pseudo science.

Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain.

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it.

Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa.

"White privilege" is a slogan, not thought.

A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition.

It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #74 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 6:48pm:

Not surprisingly you made the silly comment that race is the main force dividing the US, when obviously Conservative versus "Liberal" ideology is a more significant factor, because blacks AND whites exist on either side of the ideological divide.

Aww, don't be an attention whore.

I said: 'Americans have succumbed to the notion that fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon'.

I didn't say: American fundamental societal disharmony is solely caused by a black vs white phenomenon.

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