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Reply #75 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:42pm

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological pseudo science.

Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain.

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it.

Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa.

"White privilege" is a slogan, not thought.

A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition.

It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

No white person alive today is guilty of slavery.

But ethno-chauvinism does exist in the US - one form of it is focussed on African-Americans. Trevor Noah commented on this recently when interviewed about his American experience.

"White privilege" used to be WASP hegemony. Now it's degenerated into anyone 'white' with 'white' having morphed (in the black American psyche and taken up generally among many non-African Americans) into a 'race'.

However, those African-descent Americans who are not descended from slaves (i.e. post-slavery African-Americans who have not lost their ethnic, national or religious identity by descent) are apparently per-capita more successful than slave descendants.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46462 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #76 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:19pm If the blacks and the tinted - and the proles, the underclass, the lazy, druggy, alky, work shy, [your self-pitying lazy bum demographic here] - didnt behave as they do, nobody would disdain them. Race, class etc is what bums hide behind.
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Reply #77 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:25pm

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological pseudo science.

Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain.

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it.

Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa.

"White privilege" is a slogan, not thought.

A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition.

It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

You do know Jake that it isn't compulsory to clearly show that you have no idea what CRT is ?

I would not be too concerned almost nobody does. Particularly those who make the most noise about it.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #78 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:34pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:25pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

The problem with critical race theory is it moved beyond history into psychological pseudo science.

Yes slavery was real, it inflicted mass horror and pain.

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Or every black person still suffers from the legacy of it.

Given the USA has the most black millionaires and the largest black middle class anywhere in the world, including Africa.

"White privilege" is a slogan, not thought.

A ranting grunt, not any meaningful contribution to the human condition.

It is sloppy, half wit, ranting self indulgent tears before history.

You do know Jake that it isn't compulsory to clearly show that you have no idea what CRT is ?

I would not be too concerned almost nobody does. Particularly those who make the most noise about it.

Explain it, then, in your own words, duckwit.

It is the sign of the lowbrow moron to pull others up on not understanding something without offering an understanding.

You invariably fall into this category, duckwit. You simply have no confidence in your own mental acuity. Nor do we. On that we are as one.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #79 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

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Reply #80 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT.

CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

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Reply #81 - Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:55pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT.

CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

You are very naive.

CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming.

African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards').

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Reply #82 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:06am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT.

CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

You are very naive.

CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming.

African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards').

99% of the mention of CRT is from the right by people who do not know what it is. Most blindly screeching about accusations that were never made.

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Re: Pushback against CRT
Reply #83 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:15am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT.

CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

You are very naive.

CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming.

African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards').

99% of the mention of CRT is from the right by people who do not know what it is. Most blindly screeching about accusations that were never made.

And CRT is sending African-American people down a path that leads them to try out what it feels like to be an oppressor, not for the sake of justice, but for vengeance; not to mention the horror of an eventual backlash it will provoke.

And define 'right'. That's another term that's bandied about like the writer knows what it means and thinks it should go without saying what it is.

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Reply #84 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:27am

CRT's proposal that racial discrimination (in the over-simplistic American term of the word) is the result of a social construct that can be surgically removed by social engineering, requires a gross misunderstanding of human nature.

Humans instinctively discriminate between ingroups and outgroups. That's true with religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, even down to sports team rivalry; and it is ineradicable.

This has been proven scientifically. A person's reaction to an outgroup can be measured by MRI. The amygdalic reaction to an outgroup comes before reasoning and almost instantly. Higher brain functioning can and does moderate the reaction, but not before the instinctive reaction is noticeable.

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Reply #85 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:39am

If anyone wants to see how CRT negatively affects African-Americans' perception of discrimination should watch podcasts of African-Americans who have moved to Africa.

They quickly find that they are not seen as special or appressed, but perceived by the local people as a privileged outgroup (oh the irony) - African discrimination, of course, is primarily tribal-based, then nationality-based.

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Reply #86 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:56am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 12:06am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:55pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 10:36pm:

Jake Winker Frogen wrote on Jul 15^th, 2022 at 8:14pm:

That does not mean every white person alive today is guilty, or even has an easy care free life.

Another problem with this kind of blame-gaming (aside from the fact that no one alive today is guilty of American slave trading) is, even if historical blame could be levelled at a people (which it can't), which 'white' people could the blame be leveled at? The Polish? Lithuanians? Russians? Czechs? Croatians? Albanians? etc..?

This claim is obviously true but the flaw in the argument is that it is a straw man - You build an argument against CRT by connecting CRT to something that is not relevant to CRT.

CRT does not accuse anyone of being guilty of anything, it isn't about assigning blame.

You are very naive.

CRT has been a catalyst for this exact type of blame-gaming.

African-American misuse (or misunderstanding) of the 'race' tag towards 'white' people has been humoured under the banner of CRT (similar to what one Australian aboriginal woman called 'bending over blackwards').

99% of the mention of CRT is from the right by people who do not know what it is. Most blindly screeching about accusations that were never made.

They don't know what it is, but they know they don't like it.

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Reply #87 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:10am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 5:56am:

They don't know what it is, but they know they don't like it.

Not surprising.

CRT is American witchcraft, masquerading as pseudoscience, masquerading as science.

As if the subconscious human instinct to discriminate between ingroups and outgroups (conveniently) does not exist.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137776 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #88 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:35am
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12539 Gender:	Re: Pushback against CRT Reply #89 - Jul 16^th, 2022 at 9:04am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 16^th, 2022 at 8:35am: []https://youtu.be/H9OUYehT_pw[/media][] Well, that's one old man you've found. He's right not to like it, but not for no reason.
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