PZ547 wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 2:21pm:

Able? Now that’s stretching the meaning of the term.

The Pharoah died.
But his ghost lived on as a Pyramid.

Frank wrote on Feb 24^th, 2022 at 9:24am:


Thanks, Frank.  I'll have a look at that later tonight

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 3:49am:


If you feel like talking about it at any time, I for one would be very interested to hear 

It's quite common, apparently, for family members in particular to be visited by the departed.  I read once that a priest said after a death, several of the deceased's family members visited the priest in concern, saying they'd seen/heard or otherwise interacted with the deceased.  They each swore the priest to secrecy because they didn't want other family members to know in case it upset them.

At least two decades ago I learned from someone in the UK that it was becoming more common for the deceased to be included (along with mourners) in his/her own funeral.  This was the Church of England funeral services.  Apparently, the deceased have been seen and sensed at their own funeral on a number of occasions, so some enlightened vicars include them -- mentioning their possible presence specifically -- within the service

Years ago, a man I knew well went into his home's backyard to take out the rubbish bins or similar.  It was after dark.  His father had died a few days earlier at another, nearby house.  The man in question swiftly returned inside his own home and was noticeably shaken. This prompted his wife to ask if anything was wrong and he replied that he'd just seen his father.  When asked for further detail, he said he'd turned around from his tasks to see his deceased father standing next to him.  His wife, a new mother, forgot for a moment that her father-in-law (whom she hadn't known very well) had died and asked her husband, 'What did he want/say?'.  Her husband said he thought his father had wanted to speak to him, but he (the husband) had been shocked by his father's sudden appearance and had bolted across the yard and into his house.  Most likely, his deceased father had simply wanted to say goodbye

One of these days I'll find an article I saved by sticking it inside a book.  Can't remember which book and there are several hundred in storage. If I do find it, I'll post it.  Anyway, the article concerned a mid-life couple in (I think) Melbourne.  Their teenage son had been killed in a vehicle accident, but to their enormous distress, it appeared he had not 'moved on' after death but continued to appear at the half-glass back door, gesturing to be allowed inside.  In addition, he appeared on their television screen, even when it was switched off.  The father brought in several tv-repair men and eventually purchased a new tv, but the situation continued. The father, at his wife's insistence, took several photos of the tv screen and these were included in the article alongside a photo of the son before he died.  To me, the two images appeared to be of the same boy.  This all took place in the mid 90s and the camera used was of the older type, before digital cameras.  The father took the camera for inspection. Nothing was out of the ordinary.  The photos too were inspected by most probably Kodak technicians and the article claimed no tampering was discerned

In addition, the mother said that each time she went to sit in her armchair, hands prevented her from doing so. She claimed she was pushed out of the chair and believed her son was responsible.  She asked her husband to photograph those occasions also and from memory, the article included a photo of the mother trying to take her seat in the chair

Photographs in the article showed a comfortable home, nicely furnished, etc.  And the parents appeared as conventional, upper middle-class people.  A face at the glass, upper part of the back door showed what appeared to be their deceased son's face, same as the image of him in the switched-off tv screen.  No effort was made by the parents to conceal their identity.  They were out of their minds because of the situation and from the fact their deceased son seemed unwilling/unable to accept death.  The parents felt guilty and helpless and the wife was unable to sleep.  From memory, I think the husband was forced to take time from work to be with her.  I don't know if or how the situation was resolved.  The article simply set out the situation as described and I haven't seen anything else about it since.  Doubt an article like that, including photographs, would be published these days.  If truthful, it would appear the deceased son was haunting his parents and his previous home, possibly because he didn't realise he was dead and was confused or angered by his parents' attempts to dismiss his efforts to return to his previous life

I read that article too PZ.

When someone dies, just about to die - then dies. There is a gland at the back of the brain they call the 'Happy Gland'. This gland can also ignite when a person is under duress - like a shark approaching: the person suddenly feels 'at peace' with the approach of death (consciously). This gland, softens the blow of death.

This gland and its effects is basically behind all the Religious, mythical and more - descriptions of 'the other side' (Elysium, Valhalla, Heaven, etc)

Now these days, they have a drug that can automatically induce this gland to ignite its effect on the person and the 'visions' are all roughly the same, although the experiences are different.

Sadly what this drug will do to the person and their happy gland, is that when 'death' does appear (successfully or not) - their gland will not ignite at the proper moment, just when they need it the most. But that's 'abuse' for you.

It's the Happy Gland that makes those last momentary memories - seem like heaven ahead.
But hey, having worked Palliative all that I could offer, when asked by the dying is "...you'll go to wherever your dreams take you."
When you die - you die.
If you had children - then you will live on.
If you wrote a best-seller - then you will live on.

A Pharoah still lives on  via his Pyramid that we all can see as testament to his immortality. Other's just leave their hand-print on a cave wall.

Like electro-magnetism, that child did not see her grandfather walk down the hall. The child felt the 'connection' break and 'go away' (as if walking down the hallway) as best as the child could describe.

There is no astral, soul, ghost, etc 'extra' extended version that lives on. Or when you look at the sun and then look away, the 'image' of the sun is still in your vision for a short while after.

We live, we live.
We die, we die.

PZ547 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 7:26am:


It's comforting really.

My father in law passed away. I could not go overseas for his funeral, had to look after our sons.
My wife went alone.
While she was there I sensed his spirit visit me one day.
He had an angel on either side guiding him.
He visited me to say goodbye, show he was 'ok' and for me not to worry.
In real life he always had a bad back, now that was quite ok.

Before my wife returned I found the album 'Jonathan Livingston Seagull' by Neil Diamond in our record selection.
A double album I never knew we had. I would have known if we had it.
Anyway I played it and liked it.
A few weeks after she got back I put it on. She got upset and said 'Why did you buy that?".
Me - "I didn't, I just found it while you were gone."
She - "It was Dads favourite".

He liked his music, so do I

Sprintcyclist wrote on Feb 26^th, 2022 at 10:13pm:



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Thanks for sharing that, Sprintcyclist.  You're one of the lucky ones.  Did you tell your wife later?  Hope it helped her too.  In time, hope you tell your children also.  It must be very reassuring for all of you.  It's the kind of experience which allows people to live their lives freed of anxiety about death and separation from loved ones.  Glad you've been able to accept the reality of the experience without interference from the second-guessing which prevents others from taking such experiences as loving-gifts from the departed

Your father-in-law must have known you are open-minded enough to accept his gift.  So many others are unable to do so, unfortunately, which could be why there aren't many more accounts like yours

A friend I'd known for years told another friend and me about the moment her father died.  He was a lovely man and chose to die at home. My friend and her mother were there as he died.  In the seconds before he died, he suddenly seemed to awaken from his coma-type condition and in a clear, strong voice called out a name in such a way as if he could see the person he was calling to. Then he died.  Afterwards, my friend asked her mother who he'd called out to and for the first time, the mother revealed he'd been married before and the name he'd called was that of his first wife.  The mother explained that he and his first wife had been married and lived in the US, some decades earlier.  The first wife's name I can't remember now, but it was highly unusual.  My friend had never heard the name before -- was shocked to learn her father had another wife.  But, she said, just before he died it was as if her father was 'seeing' someone only he could see and was calling out to them in surprise and joy