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Reply #315 - Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:57pm
 
in other words:

1. Wealth creation in the private sector is limited by resources AND money.

2. Wealth creation in the public sector, which issues the nation's currency, is limited only by available resources, NOT money.

3. The division of wealth creation in the private and public sectors should be chosen by the electorate, not wholly determined by "invisible hand" private sector markets.
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Reply #316 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:00am
 
Socialism + MMT = Venezuela ... 🔥🔥🔥


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Reply #317 - Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:47am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2022 at 11:00am:
Socialism + MMT = Venezuela ...


The central bank of Venezuela must have printed too much money, violating the first principle of MMT, namely, public sector money creation is limited by the nation's productivity and available resources.

The drop in the price of oil was a major factor: (wiki)

While some claim that liberalization was the cause of Venezuelan economic difficulties, an over-reliance on oil prices and a fractured political system have been identified to have caused many of the problems.[25] By the mid-1990s under President Rafael Caldera, Venezuela saw annual inflation rates of 50 to 60% from 1993 to 1997, with an exceptional peak of 100% in 1996.[23] The percentage of people living in poverty rose from 36% in 1984 to 66% in 1995,[26] with the country suffering a severe banking crisis in 1994. In 1998, the economic crisis had worsened, with GDP per capita at the same level as it was in 1963 (after adjusting 1963 dollars to 1998 value), down a third from its peak in 1978; the purchasing power of the average salary was a third of its 1978 level.[27]

In other word's the nations' productive capacity was in effect reduced because the value of its production (productivity, measured mainly in oil) and hence ability to pay for imports was slashed.

This shows the need for an international institution to assist nations faced with this type of problem (caused by over reliance of an export commodity).   




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Reply #318 - Dec 6th, 2022 at 10:16am
 
From prof. Stephanie Kelton, author of the The Deficit Myth:

"When I arrived in Washington in 2015, I was the only staffer on the U.S. Senate Budget Committee who looked at the world through the lens of a currency issuer. I knew the federal government wasn’t like a household or a private business. I knew Uncle Sam could never run out of money. I knew that inflation, rather than insolvency, was the relevant punishment for overspending. I also knew I was alone in this thinking.

Everyone else fell into one of two camps: deficit hawks or deficit doves***. While Washington insiders depicted them as polar opposites, I saw them as birds of a feather. Both considered the long-term fiscal outlook a problem that needed to be fixed. Most Republicans wanted to slash entitlements, while most Democrats wanted to raise taxes. Different paths to the same destination".


https://www.milkenreview.org/articles/the-deficit-myth


*** hence the great divide represented by partisan politics.

Her description of herself as a 'Deficit Owl' is informative: keeping a close watch on the nature of the deficit, rather than its size eg the "mutli $trillion US debt".
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Reply #319 - Dec 10th, 2022 at 12:21pm
 
Interestingly, the Oz government has decided to introduce price caps on coal and gas, in order to shield households and businesses from soaring energy prices.

In effect, energy costs of households and businesses will be subsidized by the government, funded by taxation and borrowing.

The price caps will be set at levels allowing the energy producers to continue to make reasonable profits, though of course the producers are screaming like cut snakes....

Government says price caps will reduce inflation, whereas distributing the proceeds from a windfall profits tax on energy companies would increase inflation.

Probably true: we saw the inflationary effects of government throwing money at consumers and businesses who did not need it, during the pandemic.  Government should simply have paid the essential bills of locked-down workers and businesses, funded by direct debt-free money creation in the central bank. 

No money at all should have been deposited in workers' and businesses' own accounts, the government should have directly paid the bills for essential living expenses (food, housing, utilities).

At present, of course, government must raise money by taxation or borrowing from private sector financiers.

And even if the government sells bonds to the primary bond market dealers and then immediately buys the bonds back, there is no doubt still commission fees involved.

The middle men - the primary bond market dealers who on-sell government bonds - need to be cut out of government financing activities, so government CAN directly finance its own spending. 

Note this from Ross Gitttins:

"Philip Lowe at an appearance before a parliamentary committee last year,  replied to a question from Adam Bandt  that he would "push back" against any assertion the Reserve was "financing the government" (when the CB was buying $20 billion a month during the start of the pandemic, to fund locked-down workers' ongoing bills).

Gittins comment: "note the peculiar wording: not that the CB should (finance the government), but that it already was".   

The inference being Lowe is part of the cover-up re government financing.
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Reply #320 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 12:15pm
 
http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=51024

The poorest nations are increasingly beholden to the hedge funds

The richest nations could easily cancel all debts and fund a new multinational agency that was charged with advancing humanity rather than maintaining cosy offices in the big cities and imposing punitive conditionality onto the poorest nations.

Meanwhile, the UN is persisting with its – 2030 Agenda – which has lofty aims, including World peace and the eradication of poverty, and the protection of “the planet from degradation” but hasn’t a hope in hell of succeeding while nations are at the behest of these hedge funds and sociopathic organisations such as the IMF and the World Bank.
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Reply #321 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:24pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 12:21pm:
Interestingly, the Oz government has decided to introduce price caps on coal and gas, in order to shield households and businesses from soaring energy prices.

In effect, energy costs of households and businesses will be subsidized by the government, funded by taxation and borrowing.

The price caps will be set at levels allowing the energy producers to continue to make reasonable profits, though of course the producers are screaming like cut snakes....

Government says price caps will reduce inflation, whereas distributing the proceeds from a windfall profits tax on energy companies would increase inflation.

Probably true: we saw the inflationary effects of government throwing money at consumers and businesses who did not need it, during the pandemic.  Government should simply have paid the essential bills of locked-down workers and businesses, funded by direct debt-free money creation in the central bank. 

No money at all should have been deposited in workers' and businesses' own accounts, the government should have directly paid the bills for essential living expenses (food, housing, utilities).

At present, of course, government must raise money by taxation or borrowing from private sector financiers.

And even if the government sells bonds to the primary bond market dealers and then immediately buys the bonds back, there is no doubt still commission fees involved.

The middle men - the primary bond market dealers who on-sell government bonds - need to be cut out of government financing activities, so government CAN directly finance its own spending. 

Note this from Ross Gitttins:

"Philip Lowe at an appearance before a parliamentary committee last year,  replied to a question from Adam Bandt  that he would "push back" against any assertion the Reserve was "financing the government" (when the CB was buying $20 billion a month during the start of the pandemic, to fund locked-down workers' ongoing bills).

Gittins comment: "note the peculiar wording: not that the CB should (finance the government), but that it already was".   

The inference being Lowe is part of the cover-up re government financing.


Yup - instead of paying the out of control due to the Robber Baron economy prices directly - the people will be paying them indirectly... and the companies will still be receiving far too much for the basics of life ande exploiting to the max.
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Reply #322 - Dec 17th, 2022 at 5:39pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Dec 17th, 2022 at 3:24pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 10th, 2022 at 12:21pm:
Interestingly, the Oz government has decided to introduce price caps on coal and gas, in order to shield households and businesses from soaring energy prices.

In effect, energy costs of households and businesses will be subsidized by the government, funded by taxation and borrowing.

The price caps will be set at levels allowing the energy producers to continue to make reasonable profits, though of course the producers are screaming like cut snakes....

Government says price caps will reduce inflation, whereas distributing the proceeds from a windfall profits tax on energy companies would increase inflation.

Probably true: we saw the inflationary effects of government throwing money at consumers and businesses who did not need it, during the pandemic.  Government should simply have paid the essential bills of locked-down workers and businesses, funded by direct debt-free money creation in the central bank. 

No money at all should have been deposited in workers' and businesses' own accounts, the government should have directly paid the bills for essential living expenses (food, housing, utilities).

At present, of course, government must raise money by taxation or borrowing from private sector financiers.

And even if the government sells bonds to the primary bond market dealers and then immediately buys the bonds back, there is no doubt still commission fees involved.

The middle men - the primary bond market dealers who on-sell government bonds - need to be cut out of government financing activities, so government CAN directly finance its own spending. 

Note this from Ross Gitttins:

"Philip Lowe at an appearance before a parliamentary committee last year,  replied to a question from Adam Bandt  that he would "push back" against any assertion the Reserve was "financing the government" (when the CB was buying $20 billion a month during the start of the pandemic, to fund locked-down workers' ongoing bills).

Gittins comment: "note the peculiar wording: not that the CB should (finance the government), but that it already was".   

The inference being Lowe is part of the cover-up re government financing.


Yup - instead of paying the out of control due to the Robber Baron economy prices directly - the people will be paying them indirectly... and the companies will still be receiving far too much for the basics of life ande exploiting to the max.


That's why essential industries like energy should be nationalized - or even 'globalized' in the case of energy, if indeed we have an AGW-CO2 climate emergency on our hands.

Then the BIS/IMF/WORLD BANK can be authorized to create - ex nihilo - the necessary funds to build the required renewables  infrastructure, paying only wages to contractors, not profits to 'robber baron' companies/cartels.
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Reply #323 - Dec 20th, 2022 at 10:09am
 

Philip Lowe should be sacked. 

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/fed-interest-rate-increases-counter...

"All pain and no gain from higher interest rates".

Joseph Stiglitz.

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Reply #324 - Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:15am
 
A glimmer of light among the "psychopaths at the World Bank" (see #320):

https://www.ft.com/content/044b7e7d-84c7-4b9d-90e9-8b2449ae36f5

World Bank chief economist calls for overhaul of government bailouts

Indermit Gill says existing framework offers developing countries ‘too little, too late’.

The World Bank’s chief economist has called for an urgent overhaul of the system for dealing with unsustainable debts, as the institution warns of a coming wave of sovereign defaults by developing countries.

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Reply #325 - Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:24am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:57pm:
in other words:

1. Wealth creation in the private sector is limited by resources AND money.

2. Wealth creation in the public sector, which issues the nation's currency, is limited only by available resources, NOT money.

3. The division of wealth creation in the private and public sectors should be chosen by the electorate, not wholly determined by "invisible hand" private sector markets.


Actually that's not true!

Both public and private sectors TODAY rely on resources and productivity in order to create wealth.

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Reply #326 - Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:55am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 22nd, 2022 at 11:24am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 28th, 2022 at 4:57pm:
in other words:

1. Wealth creation in the private sector is limited by resources AND money.

2. Wealth creation in the public sector, which issues the nation's currency, is limited only by available resources, NOT money.

3. The division of wealth creation in the private and public sectors should be chosen by the electorate, not wholly determined by "invisible hand" private sector markets.


Actually that's not true!

Both public and private sectors TODAY rely on resources and productivity in order to create wealth.



Your statement above is accurate.

So let's look at where the discrepancy arises:

Private sector players (you and me, or private businesses) have to earn money from wages or sales, or by borrowing money from commercial banks.

Whereas wealth creation in the public sector, which issues the nation's currency**, is limited only by available resources, NOT money.

**via the public sector, or 'consolidated government sector' ie, treasury and central bank.

Ok.. we need to replace "is limited" with "should be limited"....because the currency-issuer (the public sector, by definition) can be authorized by the legislature to create money 'ex nihilo', just as commercial banks do when they write loans for (hopefully) credit-worthy private sector customers).

The limit for the public sector currency-issuer being the goods/services which are available for purchase by the government, not money. 
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Reply #327 - Dec 24th, 2022 at 10:47am
 
From Walther Mathilde@AynRand_is_Dead


https://twitter.com/i/status/1605871182950998016



"America is never going to repay it debt, it doesn't have to, its debts are in its own currency, we can simply print the dollars." 

"Africa's debt is not in its currency, the African debt is in $US dollars, Africa has to earn the US dollars".

"The principle underlying the World Bank is that no country should grow its own food; Africa should only grow export crops which the US and EU needs".


"The most evil institutions in the world today are the World Bank and the IMF" (aka 'Instant Misery Fund' by MMTers...).
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Reply #328 - Dec 26th, 2022 at 11:06am
 
Economist Herman Daly died last week, aged 84.

An Economist That Future Economists — And Societies — Will Dare Not Ignore:

Without greater equality, Herman Daly helped us understand, our environment has no real shot at renewal.


https://goodmenproject.com/featured-content/an-economist-that-future-economists-...

"Despite this media disinterest, Daly most certainly does figure to get much more attention in the years ahead. Why? The life’s work of this University of Maryland emeritus professor just happens to directly link the two supreme  challenges of our time: environmental collapse and economic inequality.

Herman Daly pioneered the discipline of ecological economics. He gave us a vision — in works always “crystal clear, conceptually compelling” — of a “steady state economy” that featured “redistribution and qualitative improvement instead of perpetual growth” sure to overload and overwhelm our environment.



"I used to be a neoclassical growth economist,” Daly wrote. “I hoped that my contribution to the world would be to help increase the growth rate of GDP, especially in the poor regions of Latin America, but in wealthy countries too. But experience, arguments, and evidence changed my mind, and I became an ecological economist who advocates a steady-state economy with redistribution and qualitative improvement instead of perpetual growth.”

“Might not the same happen to other economists?” Daly went on. “Indeed, is it not now happening, although slowly? Why won’t the same evidence and logic that has convinced me (and a number of others) eventually convince many more?”

He contrasted his “min-max”  (a min. and max. wage) to the conventional economics notion that the poor don’t get hurt when the rich get richer and may actually end up benefiting from the expenditures wealthy people make". etc.



At last,....3 decades after Daly's 1991 book Steady-State Economics,  the first doctorate level course in sustainable economics through an MMT lens is now up and running at Torrens University.

The wheels turn slowly as 'groupthink" in economic orthodoxy holds firm,  while the money lenders have too much power.   
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Reply #329 - Dec 26th, 2022 at 2:29pm
 
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/out-of-touch-rishi-sunak-criticised-for-aski...

'Out of touch' Rishi Sunak criticised for asking homeless man if he 'works in business'

Interestingly, the Global Times reports the question asked by Sunak as: "would you like to work in finance"

GT: "Sunak's exchange with the homeless man began when the man asks Sunak if he's "sorting the economy out."

When the homeless man then says he is interested in business and finance, Sunak replies that he used to work in finance too, before asking: "Is that something you would like to get into?"



Note: ex-Goldman Sachs' banker Sunak referring to "finance", rather than business,  ie the funny money casino finance industry, rather than business in the real economy which involves resource mobilization, not crooked money mobilization. 

But Sunak should be criticized for a question he did ask, not one he didn't ask....obviously Sunak wouldn't be asking a homeless man "if he works in business".




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