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Reply #360 - Feb 15th, 2023 at 9:17am
 
The mainstream 'independent' central bank orthodoxy is being increasingly questioned: 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-13/reserve-bank-australia-pushing-us-towards...

Why the Reserve Bank is pushing us towards a recession that we don't need to have
By business editor Ian Verrender

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Reply #361 - Feb 15th, 2023 at 3:58pm
 
...and:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/interest-rates-lowe-s-not-the-proble...

Ross Gittins:
"Interest rates: Lowe’s not the problem, the system is rotten".


......though Lowe believes in the system, so he IS part of the problem.
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Reply #362 - Feb 16th, 2023 at 11:33am
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFM04Rzpewo

MMT insights  for the Global South:  Sovereignty, Resilience, and Sustainable Prosperity.

Fadhel Kaboub

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Reply #363 - Feb 16th, 2023 at 4:41pm
 
https://thenewdaily.com.au/finance/2023/02/13/reserve-bank-philip-lowe-rates/

Alan Kohler: The undemocratic independent Reserve Bank
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Reply #364 - Feb 18th, 2023 at 7:16am
 
Warren Buffet broaching MMT:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1626550772455415808


"We've got the right to print our own money...."


(Note: inaccurate terminology, not strictly MMT: funding the public sector for free is not giving money to private citizens for free).
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Reply #365 - Feb 18th, 2023 at 8:03am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 18th, 2023 at 7:16am:
Warren Buffet broaching MMT:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1626550772455415808


"We've got the right to print our own money...."


(Note: inaccurate terminology, not strictly MMT: funding the public sector for free is not giving money to private citizens for free).




Such arrogance.

The Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe also had the right to print their own money.    Embarrassed

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Reply #366 - Feb 18th, 2023 at 8:15am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 18th, 2023 at 8:03am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 18th, 2023 at 7:16am:
Warren Buffet broaching MMT:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1626550772455415808


"We've got the right to print our own money...."


(Note: inaccurate terminology, not strictly MMT: funding the public sector for free is not giving money to private citizens for free).




Such arrogance.

The Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe also had the right to print their own money.    Embarrassed


Bobby, you're not listening: the productivity of the US ensures it will always be able to pay its debts with "printed" money.

Zimbabwe and the Weimar republic had their productivity destroyed by geopolitical events, which were the cause of the hyperinflationary episodes.


And of course the current bout of global inflation is caused by the lingering effects of the covid pandemic,  and war....the current monetary orthodoxy is inadequate to deal with this type of inflation.
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Reply #367 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 8:42am
 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/15487733.2022.2108251#:~:text=Daly%...

Reflections on Herman Daly’s Economics for a Full World: His Life and Ideas

The benefits of growth are greatest when a poor society gains the capacity to meet basic needs, but as growth continues, the benefits diminish while the costs – both ecological and social costs – grow. Daly argued that growth (in GDP) should cease when decreasing marginal benefits are equaled by increasing marginal costs – the point where the economy has reached its optimal size. That point has already been reached and surpassed in high-income countries, where growth is now uneconomic, Daly maintained.



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Reply #368 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 8:52am
 
https://economicsfromthetopdown.com/2023/02/19/interest-rates-and-inflation-kniv...

Interest Rates and Inflation: Knives Out

If you’re just tuning in, I’ve spent the last few months debunking some common misconceptions about inflation:

Is inflation a uniform increase in prices?
No. Inflation is wildly differential.


Is inflation driven by an ‘over-heated’ economy?
No. Inflation tends to come with economic stagnation.


Do higher interest rates reduce inflation?
No. Higher interest rates are associated with higher inflation
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Reply #369 - Feb 20th, 2023 at 11:04am
 
Prof. Steve Keen explaining fiat money to Elon Musk, who doesn't have a clue:

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/when-billionaires-collide?utm_source=post-e...


"When a government spends more than it gets back in taxes, it puts more money into people's private bank accounts via spending than it takes out via taxes. Therefore, since private bank accounts are part of the money supply, a government deficit creates money."

"A nonfinancial asset is an Asset to its owners, but a liability to no one: things like houses (and even spaceships). The mortgage against your house is a Liability for you and an Asset for the Bank, but the house itself is your Asset and no-one else's Liability: instead, it is part of your total equity".

"This is the reason that the American government can maintain permanent financial deficits: because they're backed by the nonfinancial assets of the country, which have grown with and because of the deficit over time. Over the last 120 years, the average government deficit has been equal to 2.5% of GDP—see Figure 6."

"As Figure 7 shows, the government's red ink becomes the private sector's black ink: the negative financial equity of the government is, dollar for dollar, the positive financial equity of the private sector."

What about government debt?

How does government debt—really, government sale of Treasury Bonds—change this picture? It does three things:

1.It lets the government's account at the Fed—the "Consolidated Revenue Fund"—remain positive, so long as Bond sales are equal to the Deficit plus interest on outstanding bonds;

2.It lets the Federal Reserve maintain non-negative equity, since it has an essentially limitless capacity to buy bonds off the banks in the secondary market. The Asset it accumulates—government bonds—can now match or exceed its liabilities of Reserve accounts and the CRF; and

3.It gives banks an interest income which, customarily, they didn't earn from Reserves, since—before the Global Financial Crisis—The Fed didn't pay interest on Reserve balances."
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Reply #370 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:10am
 
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/private-super-paul-ke...

Private super: Paul Keating’s innocent fraud

(a reference to '7 deadly innocent frauds' by W. Mosler)

"The problem with providing for an ageing population is not the money, it is the real goods and services, writes Dr Steven Hail."

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Reply #371 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 10:33am
 

Speaking of frauds:

http://www.billmitchell.org/blog/

RBA appeal to NAIRU authority is a fraud

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Reply #372 - Feb 24th, 2023 at 6:03pm
 
MMT is silly bollocks.
Money - shells, coins, banknotes, electronic ledger entries, etc, etc - has to stand for something besides itself. It is a symbol of ACTUAL things. That's what money is - a symbol of the value of things BESIDES the symbol itself.

In short, money is NOT about money. That's why governments cant save themselves just by printing more of it. Money is NOT about any government's ability to print symbols. But MMT IS.

Silly, magic pudding nonsense. The fantasy of the undepleatable government coffers.

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Reply #373 - Feb 25th, 2023 at 11:32am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 24th, 2023 at 6:03pm:
MMT is silly bollocks.


...though Mosler's work has received meritorious  recognition at tertiary level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Mosler

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Money - shells, coins, banknotes, electronic ledger entries, etc, etc - has to stand for something besides itself.


It does: it "stands for" real resources, but money (which is always created ex nihilo - unlike (say) sea shells which nevertheless are presumably numerous enough to be useful as a medium of exchange in primitive societies - is NOT itself a real resource). 

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It is a symbol of ACTUAL things.


More accurately, money is a MEASURE of the 'value' of actual things - however 'value' is determined (in a market, or by government decree). 

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That's what money is - a symbol of the value of things BESIDES the symbol itself.


Yes; but as noted above, money is created ex nihilo, and therefore has NO VALUE in itself, the 'value' lays in the real resource.

Note: a glass of water in a desert is worth more than a $1 million note, in a desert.....

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In short, money is NOT about money.


Oh dear, I suggest you rewrite that sentence, so that the  jarring contradiction isn't so obvious....

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That's why governments cant save themselves just by printing more of it.


Indeed, governments "can't save themselves just by printing more of it", but that has nothing to do with "money not being about money", it has everything to do with money not being a real resource like food and housing which governments DO require eg, to distribute to low income families, or to educate the populace. 

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Money is NOT about any government's ability to print symbols. But MMT IS.


MMT is about a currency-issuing government's ability to maximize the economy's productive capacity.

Note: it is possible to conceive of a government maximizing the nation's productive capacity without using money at all, by simply allocating different labour inputs of individuals a certain quantity/quality of resources as reward. 

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Silly, magic pudding nonsense. The fantasy of the undepleatable government coffers.


Note: the treasury and central bank of a currency-issuing government can, by definition,  NEVER run out of money (ie, IS "undepleatable"); what the government CAN run out of is real resources, goods and services, if the government fails to support the nation's productive capacity, especially when the private sector runs amok (eg, the GFC and before it the Great Depression).
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Reply #374 - Feb 25th, 2023 at 9:26pm
 
The ALP - captured by neoliberalism - is almost as useless (but not quite) as the British Labour party:

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2023/02/24/when-there-is-so-much-need-for-ne...

When there is so much need for new thinking – and when that thinking is available – we get an offering as bad as the one Labour put on the table yesterday
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Keir Starmer launched a new Labour policy initiative yesterday. It managed 20 seconds on Channel 4 news, below the SNP leadership election. And there was good reason for that. It was a total, meaningless word salad.

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