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Reply #900 - May 3rd, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 12:35pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 10:52am:
thegreatdivide wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 10:43am:
Even these mainstream neoclassical economists recognize the IMF and World Bank are no longer able to deal with the economic problems facing the globe.

(Larry Summers is the goon who said  - 2 years ago - unemployment in the US would have to be increased to 10% for a year, to bring inflation down to 2-3%.)

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/imf-world-bank-spring-meetings-need...

History Repeats Itself As Communists Run Out Of Food


COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY — History has again repeated itself as communism once again devolved into mass starvation. The commies at Columbia University lasted less than twelve hours before running out of food and pleading for humanitarian aid, setting a new record for the collapse of communist food supply.

"Okay, time-out on the intifada revolution, we're out of pizza rolls," said Tara Gentry-Smith, protest organizer and self-proclaimed commie. "I'm going to go see if the people we just assaulted will send us some DoorDash. Ugh, why are we always running out of food?"

Communist protestors had barricaded themselves in buildings over the weekend and soon realized they had no means of production to feed themselves. Activists tried to enact communal ownership of the snacks they did have, but supplies ran out quickly.

"Man, why didn't we take over the food court?" lamented protestor Drake Jones. "I'm so hungry. I haven't had Chipotle in almost eight hours now! Still, I bet the people of Gaza are inspired by our sacrifice."

As of publishing time, the protestors had told onlookers that true communism hadn't been tried and that they were going to start a new, even better collective one building over.


Your error there: the US uni protests aren't communist, they are protests about the Israeli genocide on Palestinians.

Until the US stops blocking the establishment of Palestine (as per UN res 242), the protests will likely continue.

Nothing to do with food availability in US unies.

[See... your 'comedy' narrative didn't work - don't give up your day job.....Sad   ] 

Cheesy
It worked perfectly!


You think so? I ain't payin' for your next routine....
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Reply #901 - May 4th, 2024 at 11:01am
 
Prof Steve Keen finds himself having to debunk a resurgence of the 'loanable funds theory' - the idea banks are only intermediaries who lend other people's money (bank depositors). 

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/selgins-hot-air-on-bank-money-creation?utm_...

Selgin’s Hot Air on Bank Money Creation

When a bank makes a loan, however, its assets and its liabilities rise simultaneously by the same amount: the loan does not come out of another account. This is what is meant by “out of nothing”: not that banks create money by magic—creating something “out of nothing”—but that money is created by bank assets and liabilities rising simultaneously. This is shown in Table 3.

Since this process is not “out of nothing”—like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat—my preferred term for bank lending is not “out of nothing”, or Selgin’s derisory term “Thin Air”, but “Bank Originated Money and Debt”

Though Selgin does not use double-entry bookkeeping tables at all in his paper, he verbally accepts that the process described by Table 3 is what banks actually do when they lend—and by extension, that Table 4 describes what happens when debts are repaid.

He also makes a number of simplifying assumptions which abstract from some sources of confusion in this confusion-filled debate, and which I will also make in this response.

He abstracts from cash, and treats money as being exclusively the private sector’s deposit accounts at banks. Similarly, he treats Reserves as being exclusively the private banks’ accounts at the Central Bank, and not currency:

Selgin’s objective was to prove that, though bank lending does create money, banks still need “to borrow from others” in order to lend:

Where Cannan and other economists who consider banks intermediaries differ with Thin Air theorists [is] … in denying that banks’ ability to write up loans allows them to profitably extend credit without also having to borrow from others. (Selgin 2024, p. 11)

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Oh dear - all to deny the currency-issuer can create money out of thin air to fund itself.

O what tangled webs we weave .....
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Reply #902 - May 5th, 2024 at 1:16pm
 
The mainstream media and politicians are still  bleating  about 'balanced government budgets'.

But not Ross Limbaugh back in 2019:

https://reason.com/2019/07/18/rush-limbaugh-abandons-fiscal-conservatism/

Rush Limbaugh Abandons Fiscal Conservatism

The (conservative) pundit heavily criticized President Obama for excessive spending. Now he says it doesn't matter.

"How many years have people tried to scare everybody about [the deficit]? How many years, how many decades have politicians tried to scare us about the deficit, the national debt, any number of things? Yet here we're still here, and the great jaws of the deficit have not bitten off our heads and chewed them up and spit them out."

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Admittedly, Limbaugh (who died in 2021) was not a 'model of integrity', but he must have (conveniently?) discovered Warren Mosler's writings, when Trump was elected, soon to legislate unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy....








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Reply #903 - May 7th, 2024 at 10:59am
 
Speaking of which:

tweet from Robert Reich:

"For the first time in the history of the US, billionaires have a lower tax rate than working-class Americans".

No wonder we have a cost of living crisis around the globe, with governments being urged by central banks to cut back on support for low income groups, to avoid inflation.

Madness.   




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Reply #904 - May 10th, 2024 at 10:38am
 
Prof. Mitchell, on Bobby's, and the mainstream media's  lunacy re government debt:

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=61723

The fiscal lunancy reaches peak levels this time of year

.....think about what that means.

The RBA just typed numbers into bank accounts and took possession of the debt instruments that it bought in the secondary bond market (after the governments had issued the debt in the primary market).

At the federal level, this was just a right-left pocket sort of deal.

The right pocket issues the debt and pays the yield to the left pocket.

The left pocket then pays the yield back to the right pocket (in the form of the dividend payments the RBA provides to Treasury).

A charade.
(.......)
The Right-wing Melbourne Sun newspaper carried headlines: ‘Dire Debt Loop’.

One of the big TV stations carried the story “Major projects scrapped in brutal Victorian state budget”.

And so it went, the media outlets were having a field day talking up some confected sense of catastrophe and calling for even harsher fiscal cuts than the Victorian Labor government actually announced.

As a matter of fact, the Victorian Opposition conservatives are a total rabble – dysfunctional, incompetent and without any merits that would suggest they are ready to govern the state when the next election is held.

Yet all the ‘debt’ talk is providing them with a surge in the polls.

And spare the thought if they were actually elected.

Take a moment.

Imagine if someone in the RBA offices accidently typed some zeros in the accounting system against the RBA holdings of federal government and state and territory government debt.

In other words, just wiped the huge RBA holdings off.

Nearly a third of the Federal government debt would disappear, while a significant slice of the semis debt (state and territories) would vanish.

Would the media still be able to claim there was a major fiscal crisis at all levels of government?

Unlikely, the graphs that they carefully manipulate the vertical scales to show government debt going through the roof would look like Mt Everest.

Their lurid headlines would look pretty stupid.

And ask yourself whether your world would look any different the day after the RBA officer typed in the zeros.

Not a single person would see any difference.


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Reply #905 - May 10th, 2024 at 11:05am
 
TGD,
we need Jesus to whip all those money lenders at the RBA.


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Reply #906 - May 10th, 2024 at 11:17am
 
Bobby. wrote on May 10th, 2024 at 11:05am:
TGD,
we need Jesus to whip all those money lenders at the RBA.

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No, the RBA's functions  should be changed; a currency-issuing government doesn't NEED to tax or borrow money (or issue bonds)  - by definition.

Inflation should be controlled by price controls  and rationing when supply chains fail, not RBA interest-rate manipulation hurting some people more than others.   


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Reply #907 - May 11th, 2024 at 11:25am
 
Bitcoin spruiker claims Japan can run out of money defending the yen. Armageddon - because "Japan ain't Argentina".

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Reply #908 - May 11th, 2024 at 12:02pm
 
"Free markets"?

https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2024/05/08/vulture-capitalism/

Vulture capitalism

Blakeley’s main theme in Vulture Capitalism is to debunk the longstanding concept of mainstream neo-classical economics that capitalism is a system of ‘free markets’ and competition.  If capitalism ever did have ‘free markets’ and competition among companies in the struggle to obtain profits created by labour (and Blakeley doubts that it ever did), then it certainly does not now.  Capitalism now, she argues, is really a planned economy, controlled by big monopolies and backed by the state.  The monopolies plan strategy and investment in conjunction with governments; and small companies and workers must obey: “actually existing capitalist economies are hybrid systems, based on a careful balance between markets and planning. This is not a glitch resulting from the incomplete implementation of capitalism, or its corruption by an evil, all-powerful elite. It is simply the way capitalism works.”

Well, her mistake is a "planned economy" isn't planned by monopolies on behalf of the wellbeing of the collective - by defintion, even if the state backs the corporations.

A 'planned economy' is certainly necessary for the government to ensure provision of essentials for all, something the free market can never achieve, because the most competitive, capable individuals will out-compete their peers.   
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Reply #909 - May 12th, 2024 at 12:38pm
 
https://insidestory.org.au/the-case-for-banning-billionaires/

The case for banning billionaires
Should there be a limit on how rich you can be?


"This fight is global and it is existential: tax the rich or we risk losing everything".   Phil White, millionaire, UK.

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Alternatively, currency-issuing governments should use their capacity to fund themselves without taxing or borrowing, to ensure provision of the essentials for everyone..... 
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Reply #910 - May 14th, 2024 at 11:55am
 
Prof. Steve Keen on the 'logical lies' of Neoclassical economists.

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/why-you-cant-win-an-argument-with?utm_sourc...

The Anarchists who defend Capitalism
The reason why Neoclassicals and Austrians cling so strongly to their paradigm is that they are closet anarchists.

The Neoclassical (and Austrian) economics vision of free market capitalism is one of an anarchist utopia. When free of non-market distortions—government intervention, unions and externalities—and bereft of monopolies, the Neoclassical model of capitalism achieve “Pareto Optimality”: a point at which no-one can be made better off without making someone else worse off. It is a meritocracy, where everyone receives as income what they contribute to production—their “marginal productivity”. It requires no overarching coordination, and there is no source of power coercing individuals to behave as power desires. It is a utopia on this planet.

It is an incredibly seductive vision of capitalism, and I speak from personal experience, since I fell for it as well, until, luckily, my eyes were opened to flaws in the logic before I was fully trapped in that paradigm.

But for those who’ve swallowed the Blue Pill of Neoclassical Economics, there’s no escaping the Matrix of its logical lies.


Anarchists - ie Libertarians who eschew government planning and laud the free market.
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Reply #911 - May 14th, 2024 at 6:11pm
 
Disgusting Liberal party toady wants higher interest rates, despite the economy teetering on the edge of recession  (from Sky News...):

Treasurer Jim Chalmers is “using the budget” to “pressure and intimidate” the Reserve Bank of Australia into not raising interest rates before the next election, says Former Victoria Liberal Party president Michael Kroger.

Mr Kroger’s comments come as Treasurer Jim Chalmers is set to hand down the federal budget on Tuesday night.

“Back in black temporarily, because of massively high commodity prices, massive increases in taxations and full employment,” Mr Kroger said.

“Chalmers is using the budget and all the commentary around the budget to pressure and intimidate the Reserve Bank into not raising interest rates before the next election.”

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Reply #912 - May 16th, 2024 at 11:28am
 
Interesting exchange on twitter, re 'invisible hand' (private sector) markets versus government (public sector) planning:

Dr. Steven Hail:

Don't tell anyone, but governments are no worse at 'picking winners' than private venture capitalists, and maybe better.
Even if you aren't supposed to say that out loud in Australia.


George Selgin:

When private sector speculators pick losers, they lose. When governments pick losers, taxpayers lose. That’s an important difference, not least because the incentives for the gov’t to “bet” on influential but otherwise unworthy special interests is…not insignificant!

Dr. Steven Hail:

I recommend Mazzucato's The Entrepreneurial State. The unproductive use of real resources that would otherwise have been used productively is never good for a society, however they are paid for. Governments are just in a better position to take risks and be patient.


Indeed.

"Markets are good servants, but bad masters, amd a worse religion". A. Lovins.




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Reply #913 - May 18th, 2024 at 1:25pm
 
The dysfunction and triumph of current 'flat-earth' mainstream economics writ large, and its acceptance by a deluded electorate.

Sky News

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/unemployment-rate-rises-to-4-1-per-cent/ar-...

Unemployment rate rises to 4.1 per cent

Mortgage holders could be spared further interest rate rises after a jump in the unemployment rate.

Data from the Bureau of Statistics shows the jobless rate rising to 4.1 per cent – despite an extra 38,000 jobs coming online in April.

Economists say it's another sign the labour market is returning to more normal patterns.



Well, fmd, mainstream "economists" - f**kwits to a man (and woman) -  say involuntary unemployment is "normal".

What happened to "freedom"?
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Reply #914 - May 21st, 2024 at 10:59am
 
A fascinating appraisal of why governments don't use their currency-issuing capacity more effectively:

https://billmitchell.org/blog/?p=61760

The author asks the question: “Who indeed does administer the global finance system and where is this administration located?”

He focuses on the ‘City of London’ as the “greatest of all” and notes that it embedded in a “structured organisation” in the form of the “City of London Corporation (CLC)”, which:

At a national level, the CLC intervenes directly in the economic policy of the British government, while at the level of British overseas territories and crown dependencies, it makes use of a network of tax shelters.

The ‘City of London’ is “nicknamed the ‘Square Mile’ … and does not actually refer to a territory, but to all the financial service activities associated with Greater London.”

The mission of the CLC is “to promote the City’s financial services throughout the world … In short, it has to run the world’s leading financial center and do so in a way that ensures it remains at the top.”

We read that “The CLC is ugiven that the final fiscal balance each period is not able to be controlled by the government anyway,nique to the City of London and its independence is marked by exceptional privilege” that goes back before William the Conqueror became the King.

Further:

Another distinctive feature of the CLC is that its administration has significant funds at its disposal, which it invests in line with the policy chosen by the Common Councilmen and Aldermen. This gives it a lobbying power that is beyond that of any other administration. Its financial power comes from three funds (City Bridge Trust, City Fund, and City’s Cash … whose assets are unknown, but estimated to be three billion euros (Shaxson 2012) and most certainly include real estate assets throughout the entire world.

So a big bully with cash.

But even then the CLC lost a major court case in 2002 when activists successfully delayed a property development that the City was pushing which would destroy a local working-class neighbourhoods.

Here is some background to that fight:

1. Save Spitalfields from market forces (July 15, 2001).

2. Tales of the City: Spitalfields under threat (October 9, 2002).

We also know that ‘The City’ has:

… branches that feed it are mainly to be found in the British overseas territories and Crown dependencies, which regularly vaunt their financial opacity and concealment like an advertising campaign … These nine territories represent 2,800 billion dollars in deposits. In comparison, Switzerland has 1,200 billion dollars and Luxemburg, 900 billion.

And guess what?

The United Kingdom provides them with defense and security, and manages their foreign affairs in concert with their local governments. It is generally agreed that these are the black holes of world finance. In the second quarter of 2009, for example, City banks received 332.5 billion dollars from its three dependencies … these territories are the port of entry for significant capital flows into the London financial center, which is therefore being fed capital lacking in transparency.

Which means:

The British authorities and, to an even greater extent, the CLC hide behind the ceremonial sovereignty of these nine territories to absolve themselves from having any control over these funds and from any responsibility as to their origins. The City banks use them like capital pumps feeding its markets. However, these territories are very politically and economically dependent upon the United Kingdom. It is difficult to believe that the British Chancellor of the Exchequer is incapable of persuading or pressuring these territories to clean up their financial markets and institute stricter controls and regulations. Once again, the role of the CLC is of prime importance. It certainly has no interest in such measures and is quick to remind the British government of the fact.

So, when one is confronted with the claims that British Labour must appease ‘The City’ or face currency destruction, the real question is why doesn’t the British government exercise its legislative capacity to control the sources of any capital flows that might cause currency disruption?

That is the nub.

While ‘The City’ masquerades as all powerful, it could be brought to heel relatively easily through appropriate legislative interventions.

Of course, ‘The City’ lobbies relentlessly.

We learn that:

In order to monitor the work of Parliament so that it would never interfere with the power of the CLC, a chair was installed in 1571 beside the Speaker’s chair in the House of Commons, where an officer of the CLC, called the Remembrancer, still sits today. The City of London is thus the only British territory to have installed an official lobbyist within the House of Commons itself, who makes sure that the rights and privileges of the Square Mile are preserved.

So there is a “non-democratically elected officer who participates in the sessions of the British Parliament” and is there on privilege which would be revoked.

I have been tracking down discussions about this seemingly ridiculous medieval practice and came across the 1937 book by the Leader of the Labour Party – Clement Attlee – who later became Prime Minister (in 1945).

In this book – The Labour Party in Perspective – Attlee provides an interesting account of the powers of government and how they can implement them.

He writes that (p.178-179):

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