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Reply #15 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:48pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:29am:

Did he call Xi and say Come on man!

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

So Biden did what he could to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

It means China laughed at ByDen

I bet they're not laughing now.

They're so laughing at Biden, they love watching America squirm.

This wouldn't have happened under Trump for a few simple reasons.

Trump would not even have sent aid or imposed sanctions. Even McConnell and Graham in the US Senate are distancing themselves from him.

Even the American south, easily home to the most stupid people in the English-speaking world, his support has plummeted.

See if you can figure this out.

There's a reason why it DIDN'T happen under Trump, and that reason is not a compliment to Trump.

There is also a reason why it DID happen under Biden, and that reason is not complimentary to Biden.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #16 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:58pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:57pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:48pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:45pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:06pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:29am:

Did he call Xi and say Come on man!

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

So Biden did what he could to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

It means China laughed at ByDen

I bet they're not laughing now.

They're so laughing at Biden, they love watching America squirm.

This wouldn't have happened under Trump for a few simple reasons.

Trump would not even have sent aid or imposed sanctions. Even McConnell and Graham in the US Senate are distancing themselves from him.

Even the American south, easily home to the most stupid people in the English-speaking world, his support has plummeted.

See if you can figure this out.

There's a reason why it DIDN'T happen under Trump, and that reason is not a compliment to Trump.

There is also a reason why it DID happen under Biden, and that reason is not complimentary to Biden.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #17 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:57pm:

See if you can figure this out.

There's a reason why it DIDN'T happen under Trump, and that reason is not a compliment to Trump.

There is also a reason why it DID happen under Biden, and that reason is not complimentary to Biden.

War tends to make heroes out of US presidents and galvanises the country around the president.

Trump gave the impression of an American receding interest in NATO and Putin has taken a punt on that being true under a US president he presumed would not act.

Trump set the conditions for Putin's impression that the US would not have the resolve to resist his move into Ukraine.

Putin has been proved wrong.

Lincoln had the same problem as the south saw him as weak and dithering.

The south was proved wrong.

Notwithstanding the possibility that Trump and Putin had an arrangement that he would go in for Trump's political benefit. If true, this has proved to be a mistake.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #18 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:29am:

Did he call Xi and say Come on man!

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

So Biden did what he could to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Biden begged China.

Pathetic!

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #19 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:13pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:29am:

Did he call Xi and say Come on man!

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

So Biden did what he could to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Biden begged China.

Pathetic!

Begged?

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #20 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:26pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 12:57pm:

See if you can figure this out.

There's a reason why it DIDN'T happen under Trump, and that reason is not a compliment to Trump.

There is also a reason why it DID happen under Biden, and that reason is not complimentary to Biden.

War tends to make heroes out of US presidents and galvanises the country around the president.

Trump gave the impression of an American receding interest in NATO and Putin has taken a punt on that being true under a US president he presumed would not act.

Trump set the conditions for Putin's impression that the US would not have the resolve to resist his move into Ukraine.

Putin has been proved wrong.

Lincoln had the same problem as the south saw him as weak and dithering.

The south was proved wrong.

Notwithstanding the possibility that Trump and Putin had an arrangement that he would go in for Trump's political benefit. If true, this has proved to be a mistake.

Half correct. Putin wouldn't have invaded under Trump because he's a loose cannon and probably would have become involved militarily just to play strong man.

Putin saw the disastrous Afghanistan exit and used that as a measure of Biden, combined with Bidens weak signaling about sanctions, maybe, if it was jst a small incursion.

It's actually OK to hate Trump with every fibre of your being AND think Biden is a disaster. That's called walking and chewing gum.

And Trump actually deserves some credit for telling the EU to pull their financial weight funding NATO.

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Reply #21 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:31pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:26pm:

Half correct. Putin wouldn't have invaded under Trump because he's a loose cannon and probably would have become involved militarily just to play strong man.

Putin saw the disastrous Afghanistan exit and used that as a measure of Biden, combined with Bidens weak signaling about sanctions, maybe, if it was jst a small incursion.

It's actually OK to hate Trump with every fibre of your being AND think Biden is a disaster. That's called walking and chewing gum.

And Trump actually deserves some credit for telling the EU to pull their financial weight funding NATO.

It's also ok to admit you're wrong about Trump. Even the Republicans in congress are doing that along with millions of former Trump supporters (his support base is at an all-time low and dropping). That's called humility.

Trump was and is a loose cannon, but it is unlikely that Trump would have gone in against Putin. Trump has a fetish for dictators and totalitarians. He was particularly obsessed with Putin and Kim Jong Un.

How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?

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Reply #22 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?

You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

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NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #23 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:13pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:39am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 9:29am:

Did he call Xi and say Come on man!

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

So Biden did what he could to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Biden begged China.

Pathetic!

Begged?

Yes. Begged. Read the freaking article!

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #24 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:26pm:

Half correct. Putin wouldn't have invaded under Trump because he's a loose cannon and probably would have become involved militarily just to play strong man.

Putin saw the disastrous Afghanistan exit and used that as a measure of Biden, combined with Bidens weak signaling about sanctions, maybe, if it was jst a small incursion.

It's actually OK to hate Trump with every fibre of your being AND think Biden is a disaster. That's called walking and chewing gum.

And Trump actually deserves some credit for telling the EU to pull their financial weight funding NATO.

It's also ok to admit you're wrong about Trump. Even the Republicans in congress are doing that along with millions of former Trump supporters (his support base is at an all-time low and dropping). That's called humility.

Trump was and is a loose cannon, but it is unlikely that Trump would have gone in against Putin. Trump has a fetish for dictators and totalitarians. He was particularly obsessed with Putin and Kim Jong Un.

How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?

No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.
Yes his support has evaporated now because he should be keeping his trap shut and not undermine Biden right now. There will be plenty of time for tat later.

However, Biden bungled this BADLY and Putin pounced.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #25 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:43pm

Steampipe wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?

You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

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NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending

So Trump's 4 claims were fact-checked as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #26 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:45pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11843 Gender:	Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin Reply #27 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:47pm Gordon wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:40pm: However, Biden bungled this BADLY and Putin pounced. So far everything has gone wrong for Putin including his assessment that Biden would do nothing.
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Reply #28 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:43pm:

Steampipe wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?

You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

Quote:

NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending

So Trump's 4 claims were fact-checked as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.

Yes Trump was correct but if you are easily confused the media can exaggerate and call it false with 1/2 true reporting.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #29 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:48pm

Steampipe wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:47pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:43pm:

Steampipe wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:31pm:

How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?

You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

Quote:

NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending

So Trump's 4 claims were fact-checked as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.

Yes Trump was correct but if you are easily confused the media can exaggerate and call it false with 1/2 true reporting.

None of Trump's statements were outright true. You provided the link.

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