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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #30 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 9:39am:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 9:29am:
Did he call Xi and say Come on man!

U.S. Officials Repeatedly Urged China to Help Avert War in Ukraine

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/25/us/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine.html

So Biden did what he could to avert a Russian invasion of Ukraine.





according to turdie that's a bad thing Roll Eyes
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Reply #31 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

Remember when Trump first got in, the LW media said he would start WW3.   Grin
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Reply #32 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:52pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

so you don't have any evidence that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin, but presume that he was only pissing in Putin's pocket.

What evidence do you have that Trump was only pissing in Putin's pocket?

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #33 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:57pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:48pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?


You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

Quote:
NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending


So Trump's 4 claims were fact-checked as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.


Yes Trump was correct but if you are easily confused the media can exaggerate and call it false with 1/2 true reporting.

None of Trump's statements were outright true. You provided the link.


So NATO countries owed NATO money just like Trump said.

Explain how that is false or only half true.
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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #34 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:59pm
 
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:57pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:48pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?


You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

Quote:
NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending


So Trump's 4 claims were fact-checked as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.


Yes Trump was correct but if you are easily confused the media can exaggerate and call it false with 1/2 true reporting.

None of Trump's statements were outright true. You provided the link.


So NATO countries owed NATO money just like Trump said.

Explain how that is false or only half true.

You posted a link. I read it. The fact-checkers reported the 4 claims as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.

Would you like to post another link?
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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #35 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:05pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

so you don't have any evidence that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin, but presume that he was only pissing in Putin's pocket.

What evidence do you have that Trump was only pissing in Putin's pocket?



Well Putin didn't invade under Trump, so that's proof right there  Grin


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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #36 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:57pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:48pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:43pm:
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:38pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:31pm:
How much did the European NATO countries, Canada and Turkey owe NATO?


You have to do a lot of math to find the real answer.

Quote:
NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628137185/fact-check-trumps-claims-on-nato-spending


So Trump's 4 claims were fact-checked as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.


Yes Trump was correct but if you are easily confused the media can exaggerate and call it false with 1/2 true reporting.

None of Trump's statements were outright true. You provided the link.


So NATO countries owed NATO money just like Trump said.

Explain how that is false or only half true.

You posted a link. I read it. The fact-checkers reported the 4 claims as: False, 1/2 true, confusing, exaggeration.

Would you like to post another link?


No that link is just fine, it gives you the facts, you are caught up on an opinion.

You have read the link and the facts, did you draw the same conclusions that when Trump said NATO allies owed money they in fact do not?.
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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #37 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:06pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

so you don't have any evidence that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin, but presume that he was only pissing in Putin's pocket.

What evidence do you have that Trump was only pissing in Putin's pocket?



Well Putin didn't invade under Trump, so that's proof right there  Grin

Maybe he thought Trump would win a 2nd term and remove the US from NATO.

If so, wrong bet.
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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #38 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:21pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

so you don't have any evidence that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin, but presume that he was only pissing in Putin's pocket.

What evidence do you have that Trump was only pissing in Putin's pocket?



Well Putin didn't invade under Trump, so that's proof right there  Grin

Maybe he thought Trump would win a 2nd term and remove the US from NATO.

If so, wrong bet.


That sounds like a plot twist from Scooby Doo  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #39 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:24pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:21pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

so you don't have any evidence that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin, but presume that he was only pissing in Putin's pocket.

What evidence do you have that Trump was only pissing in Putin's pocket?



Well Putin didn't invade under Trump, so that's proof right there  Grin

Maybe he thought Trump would win a 2nd term and remove the US from NATO.

If so, wrong bet.


That sounds like a plot twist from Scooby Doo  Grin Grin Grin

That's my line!

Except this plot's not contorted with elaborate stupidity.

It was possible Trump could have won a second term (until a few days after the election) and there's every reason to believe that Trump's obsession with Putin would lead to him not sanctioning against an invasion of Ukraine.
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Reply #40 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:29pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:21pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:06pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:05pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:52pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:49pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 1:40pm:
No, Trump would have loved to have been a war president.

And yet everything Trump said and did with Putin included lavish praise on Putin (up to and including publicly humiliating his own US security services).

What evidence do you have that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin?


Have you ever heard the expression, pissing in someone's pocket?

so you don't have any evidence that Trump would have had the US take up arms against Putin, but presume that he was only pissing in Putin's pocket.

What evidence do you have that Trump was only pissing in Putin's pocket?



Well Putin didn't invade under Trump, so that's proof right there  Grin

Maybe he thought Trump would win a 2nd term and remove the US from NATO.

If so, wrong bet.


That sounds like a plot twist from Scooby Doo  Grin Grin Grin

That's my line!

Except this plot's not contorted with elaborate stupidity.

It was possible Trump could have won a second term (until a few days after the election) and there's every reason to believe that Trump's obsession with Putin would lead to him not sanctioning against an invasion of Ukraine.


I think we need to go with occam's razor on this one.
Putin kept it in his pants when Trump was Pres.
Now Putin is waving it all over the place.
Ergo, Biden couldn't convince Putin to keep it zipped up.

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Reply #41 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:34pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:29pm:
I think we need to go with occam's razor on this one.
Putin kept it in his pants when Trump was Pres.
Now Putin is waving it all over the place.
Ergo, Biden couldn't convince Putin to keep it zipped up.


That's your take on occam's razor?

The simplest possibility is that Putin waited to see if Trump would be president. That didn't happen.

Like the rest of the world, Russia too was hindered by covid for all of 2021.

Putin initiated pre-drawn plans for a Ukraine invasion in early 2022.

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Reply #42 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:34pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
It was possible Trump could have won a second term (until a few days after the election) and there's every reason to believe that Trump's obsession with Putin would lead to him not sanctioning against an invasion of Ukraine.


In Trump first term as president he introduced multiple sanctions against Russia starting on AUG 2 2017 and the last on DEC 5 2019, evidence and facts suggests he would have introduced more sanctions.


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Reply #43 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:43pm
 
Steampipe wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:24pm:
It was possible Trump could have won a second term (until a few days after the election) and there's every reason to believe that Trump's obsession with Putin would lead to him not sanctioning against an invasion of Ukraine.


In Trump first term as president he introduced multiple sanctions against Russia starting on AUG 2 2017 and the last on DEC 5 2019, evidence and facts suggests he would have introduced more sanctions.



In 2017 Trump begrudgingly signed the sanctions legislation against Russia not because he approved of them but because it passed by veto-proof margins. He then criticised congress for it. When Putin responded by expelling 755 people from the American embassy and consulate staff, Trump responded by “thanking” Putin and saying he “greatly appreciated” the striking diplomatic move.

In 2018 when Putin won a sham election, White House officials asked Trump not to congratulate Putin. he ignored them and congratulated him anyway.

A few months later, Trump appeared alongside Putin in Helsinki, lashed out at US officials and announced that he considered Putin more reliable than his own country’s intelligence agencies.

At the end of 2018, Trump lifted Russian sanctions.

In 2019 a Russian-based cybercriminal organization called “Evil Corp” (not Putin or his government) was sanctioned for using malware to steal more than $100 million from banks and financial institutions.

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Re: Biden begged Xi to stop Putin
Reply #44 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:48pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:34pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 28th, 2022 at 2:29pm:
I think we need to go with occam's razor on this one.
Putin kept it in his pants when Trump was Pres.
Now Putin is waving it all over the place.
Ergo, Biden couldn't convince Putin to keep it zipped up.


That's your take on occam's razor?

The simplest possibility is that Putin waited to see if Trump would be president. That didn't happen.

Like the rest of the world, Russia too was hindered by covid for all of 2021.

Putin initiated pre-drawn plans for a Ukraine invasion in early 2022.



So he waited a year...CUNNING.

Nah, he saw the Afghanistan debacle and started planning.
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