Dnarever wrote on Apr 21
st, 2022 at 10:15pm:
Steampipe wrote on Apr 21
st, 2022 at 9:16pm:
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st, 2022 at 9:07pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 21
st, 2022 at 5:14am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 20
th, 2022 at 11:52pm:
Quote:NYT admits Hunter Biden Laptop is legit
It's still a nothing burger.
If what is now known and proven had been out in the open in October 2020 Trump would be in the WH and there would be no war.
Bidden would be forgotten, enjoying his ice creams in Delaware.
Had Trump still been President
the major difference would be that the US would be on Russia's side.
The USA dodged a bullet when they Dumped the senile Orange arse clown.
That would have prevented a war in Ukraine, thousands of Ukraine and Russian lives would have been saved.
Its very sad that the US pushed Russia into a war and so many lives have been lost.
This never would have happened under Trump.
Quote:Its very sad that the US pushed Russia into a war
Putin Pushed Russia into was. It had nothing to do with the US.
There you have exposed yourself. Helping Russia to take Ukraine would not have prevented the war and it is a terrible idea.
Nothing to do with the US.
Perhaps you should reconsider the involvement of Biden in Ukraine, it is a pretty messy story and Russia had no option (right or wrong) once Biden became president.
Quote:The extent of the Obama administration’s meddling in Ukraine’s politics was breathtaking. Russian intelligence intercepted and leaked to the international media a Nuland telephone call in which she and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine Geoffey Pyatt discussed in detail their preferences for specific personnel in a post‐Yanukovych government. The U.S‑favored candidates included Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the man who became prime minister once Yanukovych was ousted from power. During the telephone call, Nuland stated enthusiastically that “Yats is the guy” who would do the best job.
Nuland and Pyatt were engaged in such planning at a time when Yanukovych was still Ukraine’s lawful president. It was startling to have diplomatic representatives of a foreign country—and a country that routinely touts the need to respect democratic processes and the sovereignty of other nations—to be scheming about removing an elected government and replacing it with officials meriting U.S. approval.
Washington’s conduct not only constituted meddling, it bordered on micromanagement. At one point, Pyatt mentioned the complex dynamic among the three principal opposition leaders, Yatsenyuk, Oleh Tyahnybok, and Vitali Klitschko. Both Pyatt and Nuland wanted to keep Tyahnybok and Klitschko out of an interim government. In the former case, they worried about his extremist ties; in the latter, they seemed to want him to wait and make a bid for office on a longer‐term basis. Nuland stated that “I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary.” She added that what Yatseniuk needed “is Klitsch and Tyanhybok on the outside.”
The two diplomats also were prepared to escalate the already extensive U.S. involvement in Ukraine’s political turbulence. Pyatt stated bluntly that “we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing [the political transition].” Nuland clearly had Vice President Joe Biden in mind for that role. Noting that the vice president’s national security adviser was in direct contact with her, Nuland related that she told him “probably tomorrow for an atta‐boy and to get the details to stick. So Biden’s willing.”
Both the Obama administration and most of the American news media portrayed the Euromaidan Revolution as a spontaneous, popular uprising against a corrupt and brutal government.
A February 24, 2014, Washington Post editorial celebrated the Maidan demonstrators and their successful campaign to overthrow Yanukovych. The “moves were democratic,” the Washington Post concluded, and “Kiev is now controlled by pro‐Western parties.”
This would have even been considered to be garbage back in 2014. Nonsense to think it started a war 8 years later.
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