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Reply #255 - May 10^th, 2022 at 8:38pm

Kat wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 6:43pm:

Kat wrote on May 9^th, 2022 at 8:45am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 8^th, 2022 at 11:24pm:

Todays world thanks to leftist idiocy

Transgender people have been around since forever. Certainly since LONG before politics was a thing. And, for the vast
majority of that time, they were never an issue or a problem. They did their thing and lived their lives, and no-one actually
cared. Why not? Because it did not (and does not) impact on the lives of others in any way.

The current hate against trans women (but not, strangely, trans men) is STRAIGHT from the vile US far-Right play-book.

So kindly explain how the fork being trans is 'lefty idiocy'?

If you can. I'll wait.

It IS part of leftist ideology.

Take a look at a list of trans politicians across the globe. They're all lefties.

That's just garbage, and you know it.

Now now - It is meaningless / irrelevant and likely incorrect but you cannot know what anyone else knows or believes. I prefer to believe that the majority of us are not deliberately dishonest.

After all some people seem to believe that Trump won the 2020 election.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #256 - May 10^th, 2022 at 9:24pm

Women are women and men are men and the only way they should meet is in the middle.....

Vive la difference!! Jesus - some of us wouldn't be without it....

How would I survive and produce offspring and generations in a gay world or a world where all the women are trannies?

Read Joe Haldemann's 'The Forever War'...........

Goes against 'uman nature, 'at does! RIP Dennis Waterman.

"I don' like your mefods, Guv .... OK? S'all 'ere is to it."

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #257 - May 10^th, 2022 at 9:33pm

Just a check.

Everyone does understand that the premise of this topic was not correct. Nobody was ever saying that they need to define the term man and woman.

All that happened is that in the particular document they didn't want to add their definition of the terms when the dictionary and base legislation has already done that.

The decision was to go with the existing definition instead or risking the creation of a conflicting definition. It wasn't about any of this.

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Define the word “woman.” Reply #258 - May 10^th, 2022 at 9:36pm John Smith wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 7:56pm: Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 7:53pm: Then why are they parading it out there and claiming it is some form of persecution? because they ARE being persecuted. *Egg-zacktly!*
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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #259 - May 10^th, 2022 at 9:36pm

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Just a check.

Everyone does understand that the premise of this topic was not correct. Nobody was ever saying that they need to define the term man and woman.

All that happened is that in the particular document they didn't want to add their definition of the terms when the dictionary and base legislation has already done that.

The decision was to go with the existing definition instead or risking the creation of a conflicting definition. It wasn't about any of this.

OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman or a trans-woman or a trans-man? Especially given the blatant rorts in sports and the endless meaningless argument going on.....

Buggar me....

Wouldn't it be far better to start from a set of basic IDs?

Save a lot of trouble that way....

Anecdotal Evidence (ho, ho, ho):- As a Real Man, I could NEVER view a trans-man converting to woman as a woman. Woman to man doesn't interest me in any way - but then ... I'm a Real Man... I don't buggar boys....

I feel there is a crying need to define what is a man and a woman and all the others..... here and now.... we can't play some grey area forever.....

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #260 - May 10^th, 2022 at 9:42pm

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Just a check.

Everyone does understand that the premise of this topic was not correct. Nobody was ever saying that they need to define the term man and woman.

All that happened is that in the particular document they didn't want to add their definition of the terms when the dictionary and base legislation has already done that.

The decision was to go with the existing definition instead or risking the creation of a conflicting definition.

It wasn't about any of this.

I came to the discussion rather late, so was merely responding to the comments made by others.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #261 - May 10^th, 2022 at 10:42pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Just a check.

Everyone does understand that the premise of this topic was not correct. Nobody was ever saying that they need to define the term man and woman.

All that happened is that in the particular document they didn't want to add their definition of the terms when the dictionary and base legislation has already done that.

The decision was to go with the existing definition instead or risking the creation of a conflicting definition. It wasn't about any of this.

OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman or a trans-woman or a trans-man? Especially given the blatant rorts in sports and the endless meaningless argument going on.....

Buggar me....

Wouldn't it be far better to start from a set of basic IDs?

Save a lot of trouble that way....

Anecdotal Evidence (ho, ho, ho):- As a Real Man, I could NEVER view a trans-man converting to woman as a woman. Woman to man doesn't interest me in any way - but then ... I'm a Real Man... I don't buggar boys....

I feel there is a crying need to define what is a man and a woman and all the others..... here and now.... we can't play some grey area forever.....

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OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman

NO

The terms are already well defined.

What they decided is that there was no need to create another alternate definition to the official definition that already exists.

The chose to just prevent any confusion or conflict by going with the official legal definition.

It wasn't about legally defining the term it was about the need to produce another redundant definition that could only make things worse with no benefit.

If you create a different definition from the legal definition it will be in conflict and likely not hold up in court. If it is the same there is no point in doing it.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #262 - May 10^th, 2022 at 10:49pm

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 10:42pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Just a check.

Everyone does understand that the premise of this topic was not correct. Nobody was ever saying that they need to define the term man and woman.

All that happened is that in the particular document they didn't want to add their definition of the terms when the dictionary and base legislation has already done that.

The decision was to go with the existing definition instead or risking the creation of a conflicting definition. It wasn't about any of this.

OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman or a trans-woman or a trans-man? Especially given the blatant rorts in sports and the endless meaningless argument going on.....

Buggar me....

Wouldn't it be far better to start from a set of basic IDs?

Save a lot of trouble that way....

Anecdotal Evidence (ho, ho, ho):- As a Real Man, I could NEVER view a trans-man converting to woman as a woman. Woman to man doesn't interest me in any way - but then ... I'm a Real Man... I don't buggar boys....

I feel there is a crying need to define what is a man and a woman and all the others..... here and now.... we can't play some grey area forever.....

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OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman

NO

The terms are already well defined.

What they decided is that there was no need to create another alternate definition to the official definition that already exists.

The chose to just prevent any confusion or conflict by going with the official legal definition.

It wasn't about legally defining the term it was about the need to produce another redundant definition that could only make things worse with no benefit.

Not sure if that is a 'nother alternative definition... more of an expansion of what is taken into account in sub-definitions.

Man
Woman

... the rest.... an absolute minority, smaller than the Abo % in Tasmania before the loonies took over down there and decided that being 'Indigenous' with a kangaroo skin (Koonskin Wyatt) was valid.

You'd have to be a True-ga-Ninny to believe that.... the last Abo down there vanished in 1843.... now a greater percentage than Mainland Australia....

Well - the trannies must die out some time... should they be allowed to come back as Koonskins and stake a claim in another 180 years?

Nah - get it sorted NOW! Watch the 'courts' play games with that.... Roll Eyes

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #264 - May 10^th, 2022 at 11:12pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 10:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 10:42pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 9:33pm:

Just a check.

Everyone does understand that the premise of this topic was not correct. Nobody was ever saying that they need to define the term man and woman.

All that happened is that in the particular document they didn't want to add their definition of the terms when the dictionary and base legislation has already done that.

The decision was to go with the existing definition instead or risking the creation of a conflicting definition. It wasn't about any of this.

OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman or a trans-woman or a trans-man? Especially given the blatant rorts in sports and the endless meaningless argument going on.....

Buggar me....

Wouldn't it be far better to start from a set of basic IDs?

Save a lot of trouble that way....

Anecdotal Evidence (ho, ho, ho):- As a Real Man, I could NEVER view a trans-man converting to woman as a woman. Woman to man doesn't interest me in any way - but then ... I'm a Real Man... I don't buggar boys....

I feel there is a crying need to define what is a man and a woman and all the others..... here and now.... we can't play some grey area forever.....

Quote:

OH! SORRY! You mean there is no need to legally define what is a man or a woman

NO

The terms are already well defined.

What they decided is that there was no need to create another alternate definition to the official definition that already exists.

The chose to just prevent any confusion or conflict by going with the official legal definition.

It wasn't about legally defining the term it was about the need to produce another redundant definition that could only make things worse with no benefit.

Not sure if that is a 'nother alternative definition... more of an expansion of what is taken into account in sub-definitions.

Man
Woman

... the rest.... an absolute minority, smaller than the Abo % in Tasmania before the loonies took over down there and decided that being 'Indigenous' with a kangaroo skin (Koonskin Wyatt) was valid.

You'd have to be a True-ga-Ninny to believe that.... the last Abo down there vanished in 1843.... now a greater percentage than Mainland Australia....

Well - the trannies must die out some time... should they be allowed to come back as Koonskins and stake a claim in another 180 years?

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Nah - get it sorted NOW! Watch the 'courts' play games with that.... Roll Eyes

Not sure if that is a 'nother alternative definition... more of an expansion of what is taken into account in sub-definitions.

Man
Woman

What they did was to remove the definition from the legislation so it would default back to the default existing definition. They decided that they had no need to re create the wheel is all. It's a great big nothing burger, nothing meaningful changed.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #265 - May 10^th, 2022 at 11:31pm

Essentially 'trannies' are a great big burger nothing, given that they are so few and far between that nobody actually GAF about their delusions of persecution,etc.

It's all a media scam - apart from the simple reality that someone claiming to be a woman without legally certified proof can bash women competitors into the ground....

Today they ask us to get rid of Joe ... tomorrow they ask me to get rid of you....

Is that OK with you? Because it's not OK with me!

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Reply #266 - May 10^th, 2022 at 11:38pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 11:31pm:

Essentially 'trannies' are a great big burger nothing, given that they are so few and far between that nobody actually GAF about their delusions of persecution,etc.

It's all a media scam - apart from the simple reality that someone claiming to be a woman without legally certified proof can bash women competitors into the ground....

Is that OK with you? Because it's not OK with me!

Do you know that the hormone treatment they have depletes the testosterone that builds male muscles. They lose their male strength, they do not really have the advantage that you think they do.

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #267 - May 11^th, 2022 at 12:03am

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 11:31pm:

Essentially 'trannies' are a great big burger nothing, given that they are so few and far between that nobody actually GAF about their delusions of persecution,etc.

It's all a media scam - apart from the simple reality that someone claiming to be a woman without legally certified proof can bash women competitors into the ground....

Is that OK with you? Because it's not OK with me!

Do you know that the hormone treatment they have depletes the testosterone that builds male muscles. They lose their male strength, they do not really have the advantage that you think they do.

Yeah - those guys really look like it..... and their bone structure and height etc still work in their favour.

Male growth is complete by 18 yo - like we old men - the steady diminution of testosterone is very slow and takes a long time to actually reduce muscular strength to the point where a man could not overly 'compete' with a woman in a physical sport.

Could a man win a swimming race against women, when both are forty five? Specialist training aside.

Ergo - reducing testosterone will not have a very fast effect on trannies to the point where they will 'cease' to be 'men'..... put simply - that will never happen.

I'm 73 in a month's time and still get those looks - you're 53, aren't you... and I don't go to the gym or exercise much. Heart condition aside, I would still not compete with a woman and call it fair.

Blame my parents, not me..... and take off the blinkers....

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Re: Define the word “woman.”
Reply #268 - May 11^th, 2022 at 12:09am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 11:31pm:

Essentially 'trannies' are a great big burger nothing, given that they are so few and far between that nobody actually GAF about their delusions of persecution,etc.

It's all a media scam - apart from the simple reality that someone claiming to be a woman without legally certified proof can bash women competitors into the ground....

Today they ask us to get rid of Joe ... tomorrow they ask me to get rid of you....

Is that OK with you? Because it's not OK with me!

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Reply #269 - May 11^th, 2022 at 7:29am

Dnarever wrote on May 10^th, 2022 at 6:46pm:

This is just the current right wing diversion from any sensible discussion.

Really what does it matter to show a little respect and understanding to a very small minority group agree or not. How often has anyone here had an issue with a Transsexual person - really. Over my entire life I have met one or two and found them to be perfectly nice people.

With all the genuine issues this only shows how little relevance the right currently have if they have to beat up on these groups to avoid the real issues like the green M&M's shoes or the Dr Seuss company dropping a poor performing book.

What you seem to be missing is that that's more than likely what would happen if they hadn't decided along with the support of the whole LGBITQ community to push issues like playing in womens sports, using womens toilets and if criminal wanting to be placed in womens prisons.

They want to dress as women, identify as women and have their genitals removed(not all do though) ....fine but leave it at that.

None of the former bs I mentioned and add to that the nonsense from trans men (with fully functioning female reproduction systems) saying they are "men who give birth" to children.

They will always be what they were at birth despite hormones & surgeries to make out they are the opposite.

This bloke is in a womens prison & he sure is acting & functioning like a man. Grin

https://eurweb.com/2022/04/17/trans-prisoner-who-impregnated-inmate-is-serving-3...

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