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Re: Aged Care
Reply #120 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 12:08pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 11:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 9:17am:

What I expect to happen is that the family home will have to be surrendered to the government
Upon entry to a nursing home

This is already what normally happens - thanks to howard

Spot

at the moment that money is held as a bond and returned to the estate when the person passes on.

thats probably not sustainable.

in the future, that bond will probably need to be surrendered to the system.

nursing home care is incredibly expensive.

way more then what the pension is worth.

with a quadrupling of the over 80's
most children not willing to take on an elderly parent
modern medicine keeping everyone alive despite multiple co-morbidities

the only way the system can even hope to cope is a MASSIVE co- contribution.

there are not enough taxpayers left to pay for all the cradle to grave entitlements people expect.

child care, free education, welfare, NDIS, the pension etc etc

the books are nowhere near balanced and the only real asset the government can plunder is super and real estate.

these are overwhelmingly held by the older generations and they will be demolished to pay for the entitlements people have come to feel they are entiteld to.

where else will the cash come from?

white knight thinks it grows on trees.
and its certainly not coming out of scomos or albos back pocket

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Reply #121 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 12:12pm

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 11:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 9:17am:

What I expect to happen is that the family home will have to be surrendered to the government
Upon entry to a nursing home

This is already what normally happens - thanks to howard

Spot

at the moment that money is held as a bond and returned to the estate when the person passes on.

thats probably not sustainable.

in the future, that bond will probably need to be surrendered to the system.

nursing home care is incredibly expensive.

way more then what the pension is worth.

with a quadrupling of the over 80's
most children not willing to take on an elderly parent
modern medicine keeping everyone alive despite multiple co-morbidities

the only way the system can even hope to cope is a MASSIVE co- contribution.

there are not enough taxpayers left to pay for all the cradle to grave entitlements people expect.

child care, free education, welfare, NDIS, the pension etc etc

the books are nowhere near balanced and the only real asset the government can plunder is super and real estate.

these are overwhelmingly held by the older generations and they will be demolished to pay for the entitlements people have come to feel they are entiteld to.

where else will the cash come from?

white knight thinks it grows on trees.
and its certainly not coming out of scomos or albos back pocket

There used to be enough money back when the govt had the profits from the post office, railways, etc etc

Also most of those over 80s have multiple grandchildren paying taxes

Spot

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Reply #122 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 12:30pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 12:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 11:53am:

aquascoot wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 9:17am:

What I expect to happen is that the family home will have to be surrendered to the government
Upon entry to a nursing home

This is already what normally happens - thanks to howard

Spot

at the moment that money is held as a bond and returned to the estate when the person passes on.

thats probably not sustainable.

in the future, that bond will probably need to be surrendered to the system.

nursing home care is incredibly expensive.

way more then what the pension is worth.

with a quadrupling of the over 80's
most children not willing to take on an elderly parent
modern medicine keeping everyone alive despite multiple co-morbidities

the only way the system can even hope to cope is a MASSIVE co- contribution.

there are not enough taxpayers left to pay for all the cradle to grave entitlements people expect.

child care, free education, welfare, NDIS, the pension etc etc

the books are nowhere near balanced and the only real asset the government can plunder is super and real estate.

these are overwhelmingly held by the older generations and they will be demolished to pay for the entitlements people have come to feel they are entiteld to.

where else will the cash come from?

white knight thinks it grows on trees.
and its certainly not coming out of scomos or albos back pocket

There used to be enough money back when the govt had the profits from the post office, railways, etc etc

Also most of those over 80s have multiple grandchildren paying taxes

Spot

those days are gone.

a trillion in debt

cradle to grave safety net.

its going to cost a fortune to care for the elderly and it has to come from somewhere and lets face it, the younger generation dont have any assets , so it will have to be 'user pays'.

i think it will encourage children to make an assessment on whether they want an inheritance.

if you look after mum and dad til death, you get to keep the proceeds of their house.

if you want scomo and albo to do it, THEY get to keep the proceeds of their house.

i'd be fairly sure that will be the wash up

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101846 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #124 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:09pm Would any of you like some aged care food tonight? It's delicious and nutritious. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFra...
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Re: Aged Care
Reply #125 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:44pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

Here's a good article with plenty of pictures of aged care food:

Would you eat this? The real food inside aged care facilities in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFra...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10220884-3x2-940x627.jpg

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10220904-3x2-940x627.jpg

Those are pureed meals.

Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia.

Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more.

Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration.

For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together.

When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example.

From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture.

The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty.

I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed.

They were fine.

Don't make excuses for them Greg,
they give that crap to everyone -
whether they have Dysphagia or not.

No, they don't. Stop your childish bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

You've never been in a nursing home in your life, so stopping making up lies.

Your trolling is starting to become unbearable.

Grow the bugger up and stop posting lies.

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Reply #126 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

No, they don't. Stop your childish bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

You've never been in a nursing home in your life, so stopping making up lies.

Your trolling is starting to become unbearable.

Grow the bugger up and stop posting lies.

I have been to nursing homes twice and seen the food.
Are you calling me a liar?

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Reply #127 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

No, they don't. Stop your childish bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

You've never been in a nursing home in your life, so stopping making up lies.

Your trolling is starting to become unbearable.

Grow the bugger up and stop posting lies.

I have been to nursing homes twice and seen the food.
Are you calling me a liar?

I'm calling you a childish idiot who posts lies on the internet.

Yes - I'm calling you a liar.

You are a liar, Bobby.

You lie.

You peddle bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

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Reply #128 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

No, they don't. Stop your childish bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

You've never been in a nursing home in your life, so stopping making up lies.

Your trolling is starting to become unbearable.

Grow the bugger up and stop posting lies.

I have been to nursing homes twice and seen the food.
Are you calling me a liar?

I'm calling you a childish idiot who posts lies on the internet.

Yes - I'm calling you a liar.

You are a liar, Bobby.

You lie.

You peddle bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

Well -
there are 2 possibilities:

(1) you went to a high quality expensive home.

(2) you have very low expectations of food due to a life of poverty.

Are you also calling the ABC liars? :

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFra...

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Reply #129 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:16pm:

No, they don't. Stop your childish bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

You've never been in a nursing home in your life, so stopping making up lies.

Your trolling is starting to become unbearable.

Grow the bugger up and stop posting lies.

I have been to nursing homes twice and seen the food.
Are you calling me a liar?

I'm calling you a childish idiot who posts lies on the internet.

Yes - I'm calling you a liar.

You are a liar, Bobby.

You lie.

You peddle bullshit.

I spent the last nine months visiting a nursing home every day, and I saw exactly what the residents were fed. I helped prepare and serve meals.

Except for those with dysphagia, the residents were given normal meals - meals that you would easily mistake as good quality pub restaurant meals.

Well -
there are 2 possibilities:

(1) you went to a high quality expensive home.

(2) you have very low expectations of food due to a life of poverty.

My father's nursing home was quite modest, in a relatively low socioeconomic area.

I had the highest expectations for the food that was served to him.

Stop peddling your bullshit, Bullshit Bobby.

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Reply #131 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:32pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

My father's nursing home was quite modest, in a relatively low socioeconomic area.

I had the highest expectations for the food that was served to him.

Stop peddling your bullshit, Bullshit Bobby.

All I did was link a story from the ABC -

And you lied about what it said.

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Reply #132 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

My father's nursing home was quite modest, in a relatively low socioeconomic area.

I had the highest expectations for the food that was served to him.

Stop peddling your bullshit, Bullshit Bobby.

All I did was link a story from the ABC -

And you lied about what it said.

Would any of you like some aged care food tonight?

It's delicious and nutritious.

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Reply #133 - Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

My father's nursing home was quite modest, in a relatively low socioeconomic area.

I had the highest expectations for the food that was served to him.

Stop peddling your bullshit, Bullshit Bobby.

All I did was link a story from the ABC -

And you lied about what it said.

Would any of you like some aged care food tonight?

It's delicious and nutritious.

Your photos showed pureed meals.

Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia.

Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more.

Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration.

For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together.

When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example.

From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture.

The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty.

I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed.

They were fine.

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Reply #134 - Apr 5^th, 2022 at 6:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:32pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:31pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 4^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

My father's nursing home was quite modest, in a relatively low socioeconomic area.

I had the highest expectations for the food that was served to him.

Stop peddling your bullshit, Bullshit Bobby.

All I did was link a story from the ABC -

And you lied about what it said.

Would any of you like some aged care food tonight?

It's delicious and nutritious.

Your photos showed pureed meals.

Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia.

Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more.

Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration.

For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together.

When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example.

From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture.

The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty.

I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed.

They were fine.

My mother had disphagia (kind of). She only couldnt swallow in the mornings. Throughout the day she was okay. The nursing home wanted to catagorise her and mum refused to eat the mashed stuff and instead ate peanuts she had in her bedside drawer. In the mornings though they put something in her coffee to make it thicker so she could swallow it.

Of course several times when i was looking after her she would eat the peanuts in the morning and i would have to do stuff to stop her choking. She hid them so i couldnt take them away.

Anyway i did see at the places she was in - they were all radically different. Some had really good looking meals and others were slop. Only 1 seemed to give them enough calories though.

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