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Re: Aged Care
Reply #15 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am

Captain Nemo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:48am:

Agree in principle with throwing money at aged care if it fixed the problems.

However, Albo's speech was pretty much vague waffle.

The unions want a 25% pay rise and to staff every home with a registered nurse 24/7 would very quickly evaporate extra dosh.

It is a huge problem but there wasn't any detail in Albo's stuff ... perhaps he will flesh it out during the election campaign.

He won't be able to flesh out anything re where he's going to find the money given the context of a devastated Covid19 economy.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #16 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #17 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

It's nothing more than unsubstantiated pipe dream BS. You'd have to be seriously stupid and naive to believe what Albo has "promised".

In fact Albo has since suffered a lot of criticism for bringing in the big elephant in the room and pretending it isn't there.

MONEY where is it coming from? He himself doesn't know.

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7977 melbourne Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #18 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:23am Yet on the the other hand what about the stage 3 tax cuts?. If we got rid of those how much money, would that be that go go towards aged care?.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35146 Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #19 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:25am There is and there always will be plenty of money. It's just that it's so badly handled.
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Re: Aged Care
Reply #20 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #21 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:29pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

They don't exist therefore the answer is no.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #22 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:35pm

whiteknight wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:23am:

Yet on the the other hand what about the stage 3 tax cuts?. If we got rid of those how much money, would that be that go go towards aged care?. Sad

It's not just a matter of taking money from 1 account and transferring that amount to another.

Those simple budgeting rules/practices apply to households not a country's bloody economy!

Do you realise that if you stopped tax cuts then that would reduce spending and cause other more serious issues for the economy?

Note : Don't get me wrong ... I'm all FOR aged care funding! Read back. My posts tell the tragic story of what aged care lack of funding actually looks like at grass roots level.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #23 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:37pm mothra wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:25am: There is and there always will be plenty of money.... Could everyone please take a second to read this? This is exactly how my children used to think. Then they turned 5 years old. I think I'll just leave it at that. I've already pwned her @rse enough times both last night and this morning.
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Re: Aged Care
Reply #24 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:40pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:29pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

They don't exist therefore the answer is no.

Right, so because Labor hasn't released their full policy platform and costings for an election that hasn't even been called yet, you therefore "know" that it's not been costed and can't be paid for?

Why don't you just admit that you don't "know" the policy is uncosted, you just believe it to be based on your political ideology and nothing more?

In that case, sure, you're entitled to your opinion and you can continue to speculate until the cows come home.

But until we see the costings, we won't actually "know".

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #25 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:49pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:29pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

They don't exist therefore the answer is no.

Right, so because Labor hasn't released their full policy platform and costings for an election that hasn't even been called yet, you therefore "know" that it's not been costed and can't be paid for?

Why don't you just admit that you don't "know" the policy is uncosted, you just believe it to be based on your political ideology and nothing more?

In that case, sure, you're entitled to your opinion and you can continue to speculate until the cows come home.

But until we see the costings, we won't actually "know".

FMD!

No .... I said in very plain English that these costings DO NOT EXIST.

What part of that didn't you comprehend?

Do you follow the media at all? If you had instead of just trolling like the multi dhead you are ... then you would have known that Albo took a beating over the fact that his pledges are mere unsubstantiated empty promises BECAUSE that are UNCOSTED!

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #26 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:50pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:29pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

They don't exist therefore the answer is no.

Right, so because Labor hasn't released their full policy platform and costings for an election that hasn't even been called yet, you therefore "know" that it's not been costed and can't be paid for?

Why don't you just admit that you don't "know" the policy is uncosted, you just believe it to be based on your political ideology and nothing more?

In that case, sure, you're entitled to your opinion and you can continue to speculate until the cows come home.

But until we see the costings, we won't actually "know".

Nailed it!

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #27 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:52pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:50pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:29pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

They don't exist therefore the answer is no.

Right, so because Labor hasn't released their full policy platform and costings for an election that hasn't even been called yet, you therefore "know" that it's not been costed and can't be paid for?

Why don't you just admit that you don't "know" the policy is uncosted, you just believe it to be based on your political ideology and nothing more?

In that case, sure, you're entitled to your opinion and you can continue to speculate until the cows come home.

But until we see the costings, we won't actually "know".

Nailed it!

Nailed what? His ignorant BS straight back into its coffin?

Oh wait I did that!

FMD the lefties on this forum are getting dumber by the hour!

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #28 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:53pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:49pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:40pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:29pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:41am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:14am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 8:27am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:36am:

Smart move by Albo: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-31/anthony-albanese-budget-reply-aged-care-e...

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese has pledged billions of dollars to fix the aged care industry — which he's dubbed as being in crisis — if Labor wins the forthcoming federal election.

No! It's a lie! It's definitely a lie!

There's no money! Where is he going to get the money? I bet he hasn't said anything about that!

So you're just assuming it's not funded?

No. I know it's not funded AND it can't be funded.

So you've seen Labor's costings then?

They don't exist therefore the answer is no.

Right, so because Labor hasn't released their full policy platform and costings for an election that hasn't even been called yet, you therefore "know" that it's not been costed and can't be paid for?

Why don't you just admit that you don't "know" the policy is uncosted, you just believe it to be based on your political ideology and nothing more?

In that case, sure, you're entitled to your opinion and you can continue to speculate until the cows come home.

But until we see the costings, we won't actually "know".

FMD!

No .... I said in very plain English that these costings DO NOT EXIST.

What part of that didn't you comprehend?

Do you follow the media at all? If you had instead of just trolling like the multi dhead you are ... then you would have known that Albo took a beating over the fact that his pledges are mere unsubstantiated empty promises BECAUSE that are UNCOSTED!

Here dumbo! Read that for a clue!

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/anthony-albanese-outlines-labor...

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38491 Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #29 - Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:54pm mothra wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:25am: There is and there always will be plenty of money. It's just that it's so badly handled. No amount of money is gonna suddenly produce thousands of registered nurses to achieve what is suggested. They simply do not exist.
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