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Re: Aged Care
Reply #75 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:18am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Does everyone remember seeing on TV -
people in aged care getting baked beans on toast for Xmas dinner?

Also - those aged care places are not cheap.

Baked beans on toast is a relatively healthy meal.

My father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.

the place my father was in cost 250k plus 2500 a week. Meals were pretty much baked beans on toast. This was 15 years ago - it would be more now. Mum couldnt get into a permanent one because she didnt have a house to give them.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #76 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 6:18am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Does everyone remember seeing on TV -
people in aged care getting baked beans on toast for Xmas dinner?

Also - those aged care places are not cheap.

Baked beans on toast is a relatively healthy meal.

My father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.

the place my father was in cost 250k plus 2500 a week. Meals were pretty much baked beans on toast. This was 15 years ago - it would be more now. Mum couldnt get into a permanent one because she didnt have a house to give them.

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$2,500 per week sounds an awful lot.

My Dad's was only $370 per week.

The food there was pretty good - every Friday they had fish and chips, and it was as good as any meal you'd find at a decent pub.

On Sundays they had roast beef, pork, or chicken.

They always had dessert too - cheesecake, fruit and ice cream, etc.

Currently, in WA, you can still get a full-time place in a nursing home even if you have no house and can't pay the $400,000 - they just take 85% of the pension.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #77 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 6:44am

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:22pm:

Christmas meal 'slop' prompts outrage
after being served to Adelaide nursing home residents

By Daniel Keane, staff
Posted Thu 26 Dec 2019 at 5:45pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-26/nursing-home-condemned-for-christmas-mash...

Dear Lord I'm going to start crying 😢

Those poor sods! That's not a meal!

Hi Lisa,
that's not just a meal - that's Xmas dinner
at an Australian nursing home.
The question is -
Will a Labor Govt. stop this?

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #78 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 7:12am

Lisa Jones wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Does everyone remember seeing on TV -
people in aged care getting baked beans on toast for Xmas dinner?

Also - those aged care places are not cheap.

Baked beans on toast is a relatively healthy meal.

My father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.

That's cheap!

Those figures just don't exist in Sydney.

A real cheap style facility is around $750 grand plus.

The one we were looking at was $1.2 million. Why?

1. It was beautifully presented

2. More importantly the staff to patient ratios were decent. <--- In fact that's where the real cost was.

Mum passed so that sorted that out.

Edit : The $$$ that's required is absolutely ungodly IMO. Don't forget that these aged care facilities also grab their patient's Centrelink benefits too.

How much does it cost to house you in the mental hospital?

Lie some more Lisa.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #79 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 10:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 6:18am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:18am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:04pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 5:59pm:

Does everyone remember seeing on TV -
people in aged care getting baked beans on toast for Xmas dinner?

Also - those aged care places are not cheap.

Baked beans on toast is a relatively healthy meal.

My father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.

the place my father was in cost 250k plus 2500 a week. Meals were pretty much baked beans on toast. This was 15 years ago - it would be more now. Mum couldnt get into a permanent one because she didnt have a house to give them.

Spot

$2,500 per week sounds an awful lot.

My Dad's was only $370 per week.

The food there was pretty good - every Friday they had fish and chips, and it was as good as any meal you'd find at a decent pub.

On Sundays they had roast beef, pork, or chicken.

They always had dessert too - cheesecake, fruit and ice cream, etc.

Currently, in WA, you can still get a full-time place in a nursing home even if you have no house and can't pay the $400,000 - they just take 85% of the pension.

It was in sydney in some posh suburb - st ives i think. they gave him same old crap to eat but called it fancy names eg custard was 'parfait'..

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #81 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 11:36am

Aussie wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 1:54pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 10:25am:

There is and there always will be plenty of money. It's just that it's so badly handled.

No amount of money is gonna suddenly produce thousands of registered nurses to achieve what is suggested. They simply do not exist.

Of course it would! Incentivising people to train to be nurses is easy. We need to pay and support them better for a start.

In any event, most of the workers in aged care homes don't need to be nurses, more carers. The government tried to fix this by hassling people on benefits into doing carer courses in fear of losing said benefits. Then they paid them sweet FA to do the job they were poorly r=trained to do and certainly not necessarily ideally matched to do.

They were then paid a pittance to do it anyway. The upshot was that badly matched people were used as a stop-gap instead of addressing the problem ... which is it is a poo job that pays terribly and expects great amounts from workers.

You fix that, you fix the problem.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #82 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 11:36am

Having done a single 8-hour shift at a nursing home, I have seen for myself what the aged care residents have for their meals. But, what does get recorded in my memory, even after 3 years later, was the fact that the elderly residents do not finish their meals most of the time. Some residents clean their plate of the meals. A few pick at their meals. And many get through about half their meal. This, given that the meals are not loaded with food on the plate, leaves me with the impression that aged care facilities only provide the residents with what they can eat, without wasting too much food.

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Reply #83 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 11:46am

mothra wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 11:36am:

Of course it would! Incentivising people to train to be nurses is easy. We need to pay and support them better for a start.

Easier said than done. I had a 3 week practical to complete for me to become a qualified AIN. I did ONE 8-hour shift. That meant I was to be at the aged care facility by 6am in the morning. I had an hour's meal break at 11. I was gone by 3pm. I phoned the training centre and said that I was not going to be back for the rest of the practical.

Keep in mind that I was suffering insomnia and was accustomed to getting up after 9am in the morning, I was also suffering a day where I only had 3 hours sleep the night before. I was not going to get 10 hours sleep that night, get up at 4 or 5 in the morning and be ready for another 9 hours at a place that I thought I could do better. I had to work my paid work shifts as well. So, I was not going to get home at 3 and be at work at 5 after having 6 hours sleep (as much as that is adequate to me these days).

If you can find young people willing to take on positions as aged care assistants, you are doing well. We had about 25 students doing the theory side of the training at the start. By the time the practical came around, we were down to 10 students. $59,000 per year for a band 1 AIN is alright money. But, there are jobs out there that would be more suited to some of the students I saw there. And we can pick our jobs for better money in today's economic climate.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #84 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 11:52am

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:40pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:35pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:34pm:

Ayn Marx wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 1^st, 2022 at 7:22pm:

Christmas meal 'slop' prompts outrage
after being served to Adelaide nursing home residents

By Daniel Keane, staff
Posted Thu 26 Dec 2019 at 5:45pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-26/nursing-home-condemned-for-christmas-mash...

Ah, the wondrous benefits of privatisation !

Is that what Greggy's father will get for $404,000 ?

As Greg has mentioned several times, his father passed away last month.

At least pretend to have a little civility you idiot.

Greggy said
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My father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.

He should have said
'My late father's room at the nursing home cost me $404,000.'

Why? Because you're an idiot?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101846 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #85 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:06pm Here's a good article with plenty of pictures of aged care food: Would you eat this? The real food inside aged care facilities in Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFra...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 101846 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Aged Care Reply #87 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:31pm UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:29pm: That is acceptable food, Bobby. Are you joking?
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Re: Aged Care
Reply #88 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

Here's a good article with plenty of pictures of aged care food:

Would you eat this? The real food inside aged care facilities in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFra...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10220884-3x2-940x627.jpg

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10220904-3x2-940x627.jpg

Those are pureed meals.

Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia.

Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more.

Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration.

For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together.

When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example.

From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture.

The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty.

I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed.

They were fine.

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Re: Aged Care
Reply #89 - Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:44pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2022 at 2:06pm:

Here's a good article with plenty of pictures of aged care food:

Would you eat this? The real food inside aged care facilities in Australia

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-17/food-in-aged-care/10212880?nw=0&r=HtmlFra...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10220884-3x2-940x627.jpg

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/10220904-3x2-940x627.jpg

Those are pureed meals.

Many of the residents in aged care facilities have dysphagia.

Dysphagia refers to a condition or a symptom in which it is difficult to swallow. This condition is more common among the elderly and is often the result of muscle or nerve problems. Dysphagia can affect your mouth, your throat, your esophagus, or all three areas. People who have dysphagia may experience choking while eating, gagging when swallowing, heartburn, drooling, vomiting, and more.

Not being able to swallow your food properly leads to a whole host of other conditions, such as malnutrition and dehydration.

For the last months of his life that's what my father's meals looked like, after he mashed it all together.

When the meals are served they consist of neat individual scoops: a scoop of pureed meat, one of green vegetable, and one of potatoes, for example.

From my experience at Dad's home, the residents just like to mash it all together and that's what you're seeing in that first picture.

The meals are actually very nutritious and quite tasty.

I would often eat lunch with Dad at the nursing home and I had the exact same meals as he did, except mine weren't pureed.

They were fine.

Don't make excuses for them Greg,
they give that crap to everyone -
whether they have Dysphagia or not.
Will Albanese fix it?

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