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Reply #15 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:49pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:25pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:17pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 11:54am:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 11:50am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 10:36am:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 9:37am:

For example my Dutch electric bike, with a German Bosche motor - had an issue with its display panel. So I got my brother to take it apart. Apparently, the display panel is made in China, and the small battery inside is made in China too.

Not surprising.

You're lucky if Chinese-made knock-off electronics last more than a year.

Depends on how much you are willing to pay for. If you want an ipad, then pay for an ipad. But if you paid $100 for an ipad knockoff, dont expect it to last. Simple.

Only where western standards are strictly enforced, will the product be high quality. For everything else, there's ChinaMade.

Those enforcement cost money, which is why they cost more. Its all related to money.

Of course, that's the obvious reason. The driver behind it is that producing kitsch, poor quality items, stealing brand names, copyright ripoffs, or selling rejects as the real thing is more than just tolerated in China, it's encouraged.

That my friend is capitalism.

That is called fraud.

Like I said, it is capitalism. People are not fools, they know that when they pay $100 for an 'ipad', it is an 'ipad', not an ipad. For those with lower income, an ipad is out of reach. Those 'ipads' were produced for those reasons, and have an extensive market demand, otherwise they would not make it.

It's fraud.

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

That's why the Chinese don't even trust each other.

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Reply #17 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:03pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

Evidently, MeisterEckhart is a victim.

There would be few who are not.

Almost everyone has bought a Chinese product that broke or fell apart not long after purchase.

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Reply #18 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:20pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

Evidently, MeisterEckhart is a victim.

There would be few who are not.

Almost everyone has bought a Chinese product that broke or fell apart not long after purchase.

So what did you buy?

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Reply #19 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:30pm

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

Evidently, MeisterEckhart is a victim.

There would be few who are not.

Almost everyone has bought a Chinese product that broke or fell apart not long after purchase.

So what did you buy?

Numerous items over the years including a mobile phone, a car screen display.

And, of course, clothes.

The problem we had in the west is that we excused poor quality products for years as we naively expected we were helping the Chinese people. Turned out we were helping CCP officials and those connected to them become billionaires while the Chinese workers became enslaved.

I do not buy Chinese anything (where I know they're Chinese-made goods) or where I doubt they're made to exacting western standards in China.

And definitely not anything that the seller claims to be gold or silver.

However, I will buy kitsch, (such as Chinese throwaway icons).

It's a far cry from the 16th century where China was known for its highest quality-made products.

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Reply #20 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

Evidently, MeisterEckhart is a victim.

There would be few who are not.

Almost everyone has bought a Chinese product that broke or fell apart not long after purchase.

So what did you buy?

Numerous items over the years including a mobile phone, a car screen display.

And, of course, clothes.

The problem we had in the west is that we excused poor quality products for years as we naively expected we were helping the Chinese people. Turned out we were helping CCP officials and those connected to them become billionaires while the Chinese workers became enslaved.

I do not buy Chinese anything (where I know they're Chinese-made goods) or where I doubt they're made to exacting western standards in China.

And definitely not anything that the seller claims to be gold or silver.

However, I will buy kitsch, (such as Chinese throwaway icons).

It's a far cry from the 16th century where China was known for its highest quality-made products.

I find that Chinese Mobile phones are not bad, depending on how much you want to spend. I have an OPPO x2 find pro which is running fine for the past couple of years. Okay… I confess, it is not my main phone, my main phone is still my iPhone 12, mainly because the OPPO is too big to carry around. The OPPO cost almost as much as a same spec iPhone, and the quality is on par.

As for clothing. Well… depending on use right? I generally don’t mind buying cheaper clothing from target for yard work or just around the house. But spend big on designers when the occasion calls for it.

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Reply #21 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:44pm

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

Evidently, MeisterEckhart is a victim.

There would be few who are not.

Almost everyone has bought a Chinese product that broke or fell apart not long after purchase.

So what did you buy?

Numerous items over the years including a mobile phone, a car screen display.

And, of course, clothes.

The problem we had in the west is that we excused poor quality products for years as we naively expected we were helping the Chinese people. Turned out we were helping CCP officials and those connected to them become billionaires while the Chinese workers became enslaved.

I do not buy Chinese anything (where I know they're Chinese-made goods) or where I doubt they're made to exacting western standards in China.

And definitely not anything that the seller claims to be gold or silver.

However, I will buy kitsch, (such as Chinese throwaway icons).

It's a far cry from the 16th century where China was known for its highest quality-made products.

I find that Chinese Mobile phones are not bad, depending on how much you want to spend. I have an OPPO x2 find pro which is running fine for the past couple of years. Okay… I confess, it is not my main phone, my main phone is still my iPhone 12, mainly because the OPPO is too big to carry around. The OPPO cost almost as much as a same spec iPhone, and the quality is on par.

As for clothing. Well… depending on use right? I generally don’t mind buying cheaper clothing from target for yard work or just around the house. But spend big on designers when the occasion calls for it.

Ah yes! OPPO! A colleague of mine (and IT guy) worked in Singapore and Hong Kong for a while a few years ago and brought back a few OPPO phones to sell. Thought he'd got a deal. They were all non-operational within 3 months.

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Re: China can benefit most from Ukraine reconstruction
Reply #22 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:50pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:44pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:30pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:20pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:03pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 12:56pm:

Chinese ripoff artists use the real product name or change it slightly such that a buyer might be fooled into thinking they're buying the real thing.

Evidently, MeisterEckhart is a victim.

There would be few who are not.

Almost everyone has bought a Chinese product that broke or fell apart not long after purchase.

So what did you buy?

Numerous items over the years including a mobile phone, a car screen display.

And, of course, clothes.

The problem we had in the west is that we excused poor quality products for years as we naively expected we were helping the Chinese people. Turned out we were helping CCP officials and those connected to them become billionaires while the Chinese workers became enslaved.

I do not buy Chinese anything (where I know they're Chinese-made goods) or where I doubt they're made to exacting western standards in China.

And definitely not anything that the seller claims to be gold or silver.

However, I will buy kitsch, (such as Chinese throwaway icons).

It's a far cry from the 16th century where China was known for its highest quality-made products.

I find that Chinese Mobile phones are not bad, depending on how much you want to spend. I have an OPPO x2 find pro which is running fine for the past couple of years. Okay… I confess, it is not my main phone, my main phone is still my iPhone 12, mainly because the OPPO is too big to carry around. The OPPO cost almost as much as a same spec iPhone, and the quality is on par.

As for clothing. Well… depending on use right? I generally don’t mind buying cheaper clothing from target for yard work or just around the house. But spend big on designers when the occasion calls for it.

Ah yes! OPPO! A colleague of mine (and IT guy) worked in Singapore and Hong Kong for a while a few years ago and brought back a few OPPO phones to sell. Thought he'd got a deal. They were all non-operational within 3 months.

Sounds like he bought a few 'OPPO"s rather than OPPO.

That is such a bad luck! Did he manage to claim on warranty?

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Reply #24 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:50pm:

That is such a bad luck! Did he manage to claim on warranty?

A ha, ha, ha, ha! Good one! Warranty! Yes, of course....... not!

Why not? Did he keep the original receipt? Did he report to the OPPO service department?

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Reply #25 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:16pm

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:50pm:

That is such a bad luck! Did he manage to claim on warranty?

A ha, ha, ha, ha! Good one! Warranty! Yes, of course....... not!

Why not? Did he keep the original receipt? Did he report to the OPPO service department?

I'd have to ask him. What I do know is that the people in the office he'd sold the phones to, handed them back and he returned their money.

Suffice it to say that all the OPPO phones he bought were all duds.

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Reply #26 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:50pm:

That is such a bad luck! Did he manage to claim on warranty?

A ha, ha, ha, ha! Good one! Warranty! Yes, of course....... not!

Why not? Did he keep the original receipt? Did he report to the OPPO service department?

I'd have to ask him. What I do know is that the people in the office he'd sold the phones to, handed them back and he returned their money.

Suffice it to say that all the OPPO phones he bought were all duds.

That is so unfortunate for him. I wonder if he got them from the same supplier.

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Reply #27 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:29pm

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:16pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:59pm:

tickleandrose wrote on Apr 6^th, 2022 at 1:50pm:

That is such a bad luck! Did he manage to claim on warranty?

A ha, ha, ha, ha! Good one! Warranty! Yes, of course....... not!

Why not? Did he keep the original receipt? Did he report to the OPPO service department?

I'd have to ask him. What I do know is that the people in the office he'd sold the phones to, handed them back and he returned their money.

Suffice it to say that all the OPPO phones he bought were all duds.

That is so unfortunate for him. I wonder if he got them from the same supplier.

Well, he learned a lesson. Don't buy Chinese-made goods unless you're sure they're made to western standards.

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Reply #28 - Apr 6^th, 2022 at 2:34pm

What MeisterEckhart fails to say that the situation probably was that if the Australian retail value of the phones was say $200, MeisterEckhart's mate sold them to his friends for $100 and he probably paid $20 per phone. He stood to make 400% gross profit.

The moral of the story is if the deal looks too good to be true it probably is.

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