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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #15 - Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:22pm

LearJett wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 3:12pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 12:01pm:

Abbott has confirmed that this is the case - that it is voluntary.

The wonder of the Freedom of Choice.

Want some pesos to spend when you get to America's great capitol, here is more pesos then you have ever earned in a year. GONE. Voluntarily! Cheesy

And the people of Texas will have to pay for it.

The Trump goons want the republican border states to do something a lot more drastic, this is Abbotts attempt to appease the Trump extremists without doing something insane.

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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #16 - Apr 11^th, 2022 at 1:11am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 9:52am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 9:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 5:17am:

Best thing I've read for years..................... can we park all ours in Cambra?

Ours?

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Victorian refugees would hate that.

Wetbacks - I can understand anyone wanting to get out of Victoria...

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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #17 - Apr 11^th, 2022 at 1:14am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 8:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 5:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 12:45am:

I wonder if he will tell the people of Texas how much this is going to cost them?

Is he going to offer to send volunteers where they want to go at the expense of his taxpayers?

He does not have the authority to force anyone to get on a bus so they would be volunteers.

I'm all for it, why not let the refugees go where they want to go?

Very generous but I imagine the people of Texas may have some reservations about the cost.

Probably cost less to bus them - they are illegals and have no rights so busing them is no problem - than to allow the impact on the local economy.... Texans would be happy to see the end of them.... it's only 100 years or so that Texas Rangers shot anyone trying to sneak across the border.... the memory must linger.... the guy contracted to hunt down Bonny and Clyde (Texans) was supposed to have killed over 300 men, most of them Mexicans trying to sneak across the border.

The Good Old Days....

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they are illegals

No they mostly present at the border and apply legally for refugee status.

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have no rights so busing them is no problem

Actually this is not true, they do in fact have rights when they are registered. If Abbott wants to forcibly do anything he would need to change the federal laws.

In legal terms this would be the same as going to anyone's home and forcibly putting the residents on a bus to somewhere. No its not something that can legally be done.

They can ask if they would like a bus ride, that's ok.

Off-state handling of asylum claimants...... there's history.... Howarbott leading the world again...

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Reply #19 - Apr 11^th, 2022 at 10:02am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11^th, 2022 at 1:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 8:39am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 5:21am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 12:45am:

I wonder if he will tell the people of Texas how much this is going to cost them?

Is he going to offer to send volunteers where they want to go at the expense of his taxpayers?

He does not have the authority to force anyone to get on a bus so they would be volunteers.

I'm all for it, why not let the refugees go where they want to go?

Very generous but I imagine the people of Texas may have some reservations about the cost.

Probably cost less to bus them - they are illegals and have no rights so busing them is no problem - than to allow the impact on the local economy.... Texans would be happy to see the end of them.... it's only 100 years or so that Texas Rangers shot anyone trying to sneak across the border.... the memory must linger.... the guy contracted to hunt down Bonny and Clyde (Texans) was supposed to have killed over 300 men, most of them Mexicans trying to sneak across the border.

The Good Old Days....

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they are illegals

No they mostly present at the border and apply legally for refugee status.

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have no rights so busing them is no problem

Actually this is not true, they do in fact have rights when they are registered. If Abbott wants to forcibly do anything he would need to change the federal laws.

In legal terms this would be the same as going to anyone's home and forcibly putting the residents on a bus to somewhere. No its not something that can legally be done.

They can ask if they would like a bus ride, that's ok.

Off-state handling of asylum claimants...... there's history.... Howarbott leading the world again...

It is not off state, the laws applied even when in Texas are federal laws, The same federal laws can be applied the same in any state.

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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #20 - Apr 16^th, 2022 at 2:22am

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 9^th, 2022 at 10:55pm:

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Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he'll bus thousands of migrants to Washington D.C. and check all vehicles at the border to stop cartels as he declares war on Biden's 'open border' policies

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he will be be bussing thousands of illegal migrants who cross the border straight to Washington DC and leaving them on the steps of the US Capitol for President Biden to deal with.

Announcing the new plan at a press conference Wednesday, the GOP governor said: 'To help local officials whose communities are being overwhelmed by hordes of illegal immigrants who are being dropped off by the Biden administration, Texas is providing charter buses to send these illegal immigrants who’ve been dropped off by the Biden administration to Washington DC.

'We are sending them to the US capital where the Biden admin will be more immediately able to address the needs of the people who come across our border.'

More- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10693879/Texas-Gov-Greg-Abbott-says-hel...

He should send busloads to Beverly Hills and Marthas Vineyard as well.

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Hysterical virtue signalling response to a problem you have no knowledge of and you're not even effected by.

But that's okay. You play culture wars. We'll talk among ourselves, yes?

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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #22 - Apr 16^th, 2022 at 2:29am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 12:01pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 10^th, 2022 at 9:54am:

Mortdooley wrote on Apr 9^th, 2022 at 11:11pm:

Sounds like a good idea to me!

It is bullsh1t. Laws would be broken including human trafficking.

Followers for ratbag right-wing extremists like DeSantis will believe any dogma that they are force-fed.

No it sounds good to me as well.

These people are not forced to go - they are given the option to go if they would like to. I have no problem with this at all.

Abbott has confirmed that this is the case - that it is voluntary.

Another Mr Abbott sent them to Cambodia. All voluntary, of course. Until they got there.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge, no?

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Reply #23 - Apr 16^th, 2022 at 3:11pm

Abbott put in requirements to check all trucks crossing the boarder. There were 14 hour delays to cross this would have quickly impacted shelf stock across the country.

Biden pointed out that this was costing Texas about $1Billion a day. Abbott reversed it all the next day.

The plan was to do this to force inflation higher to blame Biden but he was caught with his pants down when the cost was revealed and linked to Abbott not Biden.

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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #24 - Apr 16^th, 2022 at 3:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2022 at 3:11pm:

Abbott put in requirements to check all trucks crossing the boarder. There were 14 hour delays to cross this would have quickly impacted shelf stock across the country.

Biden pointed out that this was costing Texas about $1Billion a day. Abbott reversed it all the next day.

The plan was to do this to force inflation higher to blame Biden but he was caught with his pants down when the cost was revealed and linked to Abbott not Biden.

Excuse me, a Republican governor playing political tricks with border control?

Impossible. You take that back, dear.

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Re: Texas response to Bidens open border
Reply #26 - Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 3:17pm

Turns out that the Abbott truck blockade (stunt) ended up costing the USA $9Billion in GDP and cost Texas about $4Billion.

Whoops.

Also yes the Texan Taxpayer is paying for volunteer bus rides to the capital in his other recent stunt which is great for the refugee claimants who would like to go there.

They drop them off at the Fox news offices.

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Reply #27 - Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 5:48pm

The thing I don't understand about the border issue is why no administration has done anything about it. You cannot entirely blame the Democrats. Trump had four years to stop illegal immigration through the Mexican border, and all he did was build a billboard for himself. Militarise the border. Take the Mexican government to task for allowing illegals to pass through their country.

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Reply #28 - Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 5:56pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 5:48pm:

The thing I don't understand about the border issue is why no administration has done anything about it. You cannot entirely blame the Democrats. Trump had four years to stop illegal immigration through the Mexican border, and all he did was build a billboard for himself. Militarise the border. Take the Mexican government to task for allowing illegals to pass through their country.

It is not illegal to legally travel to the US and request asylum, it's a bit like Australia and all signatories to the refugee convention.

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Reply #29 - Apr 23^rd, 2022 at 12:39pm

issuevoter wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 5:48pm:

The thing I don't understand about the border issue is why no administration has done anything about it. You cannot entirely blame the Democrats. Trump had four years to stop illegal immigration through the Mexican border, and all he did was build a billboard for himself. Militarise the border. Take the Mexican government to task for allowing illegals to pass through their country.

Because neither dems or repubs (nor yourself) understand the role of poverty and war, in creating millions of refugees around the world.

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