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Re: privatisation
Reply #210 - May 17^th, 2022 at 9:30pm

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As often as not we get the argument that privatisation forces the price down though we know that isn't true either.

It forces the cost down. The price under government control is entirely arbitrary. Whatever they think will win the most votes.

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You have some examples of this happening.

A public education is free. That does not mean it has no cost, or that you do not pay for it.

I would have thought all of this is bleeding obvious.

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Re: privatisation
Reply #211 - May 17^th, 2022 at 9:34pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:23pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:21pm:

Privatisation is a great idea - Never.

Why do you think the Labor party is so fond of it?

You can't read? (#200).

Because it was endorsed by their hero Bob Hawke.

"While privatization is supported by neoliberal ideology that stipulates less government intervention in the economy, Australia's history of privatization was initiated under a Labor government, which appears to defy Labor Party policy objectives.

However, during the Hawke-Keating years, there were attempts to remove the ideological underpinnings of the debate on privatisation, as the approach taken by the government was "more about a pragmatic choice" to modernise and open the economy to international markets. Prime Minister Hawke said, "The difference between us will be one of ideology. That will distinguish us from the opposition (Liberals).

Hawke was rebuking the charge that Labor had abandoned its commitments to public ownership and enterprise, while highlighting the need for economic rationalism in order to address pressing economic problems".

Hawke was captured by the then new global neoliberal economic orthodoxy, without being aware of it.

And so today the major difference between the parties is in housing policy...and both fail to deal with the problem of sky-rocketing housing prices, falling home ownership, and un-affordable rent.

Hawke forgot that Menzies was able to build sufficient public housing for low-wage earners to house everyone
(and eliminate unemployment) ......by running continuous government deficits in a growing economy.

MMT offers the next stage in the evolution of a functioning economy, ie one which provides housing and jobs for everyone, by achieving continuous rises in living standards, in a non high-population-growth environment (in contrast to the immigration fueled, post war Menzies years).

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44011 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #212 - May 17^th, 2022 at 9:34pm Dnarever wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:21pm: Privatisation is a great idea - Never. That is just too stupid. Why don't you give away all your possessions, duckwit? Because you are too stupid and never actually mean the shite you blurt.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12283 Gender:	Re: Privatisation Reply #213 - May 17^th, 2022 at 9:43pm Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 8:43pm: Move out of the Italian ghetto, Planks. They have been dudding you, the compadres. It's the neoliberal privatisation system beloved by comfortable conservatives which is the reason for the "Italian ghetto", not the hard working "compadres".
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Re: privatisation
Reply #214 - May 17^th, 2022 at 9:51pm

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:34pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:21pm:

Privatisation is a great idea - Never.

That is just too stupid.

Why don't you give away all your possessions, duckwit?

Because you are too stupid and never actually mean the shite you blurt.

In the post war era, Liberal premier Sir Thomas Playford nationalized SA's electricity, to take advantage of cheap brown coal in Leigh Creek.

Why?

Because The private Adelaide Electricity Company didn't want to use the cheaper resource, because it would have cut profits.

The ALP loved the lower electricity prices - they called Playford "the state's best socialist".

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Re: privatisation
Reply #215 - May 17^th, 2022 at 10:13pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:30pm:

It forces the cost down. The price under government control is entirely arbitrary. Whatever they think will win the most votes.

Certainly Playford's nationalization of SA's electricity sector resulted in the rapid post war industrialization of SA, and lower energy prices.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Playford_IV

"By then at the head of the only conservative government in the nation, when Playford requested commonwealth funds to assist in the nationalisation of the AESC Prime Minister Chifley responded with glee and enthusiasm.[83][84] On 11 October, he presented a bill to Parliament to nationalise the AESC and create the Electricity Trust of South Australia.

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A public education is free. That does not mean it has no cost, or that you do not pay for it.

But of course education has to be paid for by the state, except for the children of the wealthy.

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I would have thought all of this is bleeding obvious.

Many have been deluded ever since Thatcher said "there is no such thing as society".

Hence the persistence of the privatization ideology.

Playford was wiser:

"The nationalisation of the AESC was the most prominent manifestation of Playford's economic pragmatism; although ideologically a supporter of free enterprise like his colleagues, he saw ideology as secondary if in the way of his objectives. He had little time for those who objected to plans that were for the betterment of South Australia, despite these plans being contrary to particular interpretations of party ideology"

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Re: Privatisation
Reply #216 - May 18^th, 2022 at 12:43pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:43pm:

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 8:43pm:

Move out of the Italian ghetto, Planks. They have been dudding you, the compadres.

It's the neoliberal privatisation system beloved by comfortable conservatives which is the reason for the "Italian ghetto", not the hard working "compadres".

All made men, capisce? Indeed - the group import ethnics did and do tend to gather together.... must be racism, eh? There was a lot of that with the early Italians and Greeks (Greeks are good with knives), the Yugos and such... and of course the Lbs and now the Mussos... they LOVE their ghettoes... makes 'em feel all secure surrounded day and night by gunfire and potential death at every doorstep or gym and knowing they are the centre of organised criminal enterprise... just like-a home! Just can't sleep without the sound of gunfire.... and being on the edge of death sharpens their appreciation of life....

The trouble with all these fairy castle ideologies and their rhetoric about poor widdle effnicks being discriminated against no matter what they do in reality, is that they all stumble at the first hurdle in the real world.... and no matter how many obstacles they stumble over they refuse to give up... A for effort - Z for reality.

I was about to make a killing with a horde of recorded car backfiring sounds on DVD to help them sleep ... now the bastards are into it for real.... another great idea down the tubes ... Undecided

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Re: privatisation
Reply #217 - May 18^th, 2022 at 12:48pm

Thatcher meant there was no such thing as the scum below them.... they were just numbers to be herded wherever their betters chose to herd them. Sociopathic to the max, and as all true sociopaths, totally blind to self.

Was she ever fully diagnosed for what her problems were? I mean - old WW II Veterans with no legs deserved to have their meagre pensions cut while the pollies made hay... disfigured Falklands Veterans could be shunted away somewhere quiet and left out of public view and ignored.... the greatest good for the country resides in the greatest poverty being inflicted on the greatest number so the best can prosper and keep it all going.... lad-de-da-de-dah.

Nutty as a squirrel's nest in a macadamia tree.... as are all the dicks who continue to pursue those lines so as to ensure their own profits......... pure sociopaths in need of a firing squad....

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Re: Privatisation
Reply #218 - May 18^th, 2022 at 1:09pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:43pm:

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 8:43pm:

Move out of the Italian ghetto, Planks. They have been dudding you, the compadres.

It's the neoliberal privatisation system beloved by comfortable conservatives which is the reason for the "Italian ghetto", not the hard working "compadres".

All made men, capisce? Indeed - the group import ethnics did and do tend to gather together.... must be racism, eh? There was a lot of that with the early Italians and Greeks (Greeks are good with knives), the Yugos and such... and of course the Lbs and now the Mussos... they LOVE their ghettoes... makes 'em feel all secure surrounded day and night by gunfire and potential death at every doorstep or gym and knowing they are the centre of organised criminal enterprise... just like-a home! Just can't sleep without the sound of gunfire.... and being on the edge of death sharpens their appreciation of life....

The trouble with all these fairy castle ideologies and their rhetoric about poor widdle effnicks being discriminated against no matter what they do in reality, is that they all stumble at the first hurdle in the real world.... and no matter how many obstacles they stumble over they refuse to give up... A for effort - Z for reality.

I was about to make a killing with a horde of recorded car backfiring sounds on DVD to help them sleep ... now the bastards are into it for real.... another great idea down the tubes ... Undecided

meanwhile you ignore Menzies' very successful housing policies....

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Re: privatisation
Reply #219 - May 18^th, 2022 at 1:19pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 12:48pm:

Thatcher meant there was no such thing as the scum below them.... they were just numbers to be herded wherever their betters chose to herd them. Sociopathic to the max, and as all true sociopaths, totally blind to self.

Correct, occasionally you have a good grasp of the issue.

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Was she ever fully diagnosed for what her problems were? I mean - old WW II Veterans with no legs deserved to have their meagre pensions cut while the pollies made hay... disfigured Falklands Veterans could be shunted away somewhere quiet and left out of public view and ignored.... the greatest good for the country resides in the greatest poverty being inflicted on the greatest number so the best can prosper and keep it all going.... lad-de-da-de-dah.

Indeed, just simple minded Conservative 'survival of the fittest' ideology at its worst.

But the bad news is the Thatcher/Reagan privatization revolution (aided and abetted by Friedman's neoliberal supply-side economics) was adopted by luminaries like Hawke when he was faced with opening Oz to the world economy.

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Nutty as a squirrel's nest in a macadamia tree.... as are all the dicks who continue to pursue those lines so as to ensure their own profits......... pure sociopaths in need of a firing squad....
BOTR!

And so economic neoliberalism is still wrecking the global and national economies.

https://scheerpost.com/2022/05/04/ellen-brown-a-monetary-reset-where-the-rich-do...

Ellen Brown: A Monetary Reset Where the Rich Don’t Own Everything

May 4, 2022

"We have a serious debt problem, but solutions such as the World Economic Forum’s “Great Reset” are not the future we want. It’s time to think outside the box for some new solutions".

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74108 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #220 - May 18^th, 2022 at 7:42pm freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:30pm: [quote] It forces the cost down. T Cost to whom? Certainly not the cost to the end user.
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Reply #221 - May 18^th, 2022 at 7:44pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

No you do not always know what you pay, especially when the government is running it.

You have no evidence at all.

I'm not surprised that you are clueless but most people know what their services cost them. They typically get a bill every month or quarter

Not when the government runs things. They set the price to win votes, not to cover their costs.

good. Since my taxes were already paying for it anyway

Now I still pay the taxes and I get higher bills. Only a moron would argue that is a good thing.

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Reply #222 - May 18^th, 2022 at 7:45pm

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 8:43pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2022 at 9:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 13^th, 2022 at 5:12pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2022 at 9:11pm:

We should privatise the ABC/SBS those who like it can buy shares in it. It will save taxpayers over a billion dollars a year. Why should those who don't watch it pay taxes for a small minority who don't want commercials to pay for it?

Crap. SBS and ABC provide local coverage for everyone, including in areas where private media would not bother.

That's more bullshit from a bullshitter.

With the internet people get coverage for what they want.

We should also sell off the remaining part of Telstra. People in remote areas aren't going to get copper cables to connect that's too expensive when they can use 4g/5g coverage.

Elon Musks starlink is giving internet coverage which would be cheaper and quicker than waiting for Telstra to run copper lines into remote areas.

As for water lots of people still use rainwater tanks in rural areas they truck in water when tanks run dry.

The governments job is running the country they should sell off any business they're involved with.

my internet stop working almost every time it rains or when the guy down the road waters his lawn

Thanks to the libtard party

Move out of the Italian ghetto, Planks. They have been dudding you, the compadres.

have you asked for a refund yet? Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74108 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #223 - May 18^th, 2022 at 7:48pm freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:30pm: A public education is free. That does not mean it has no cost, or that you do not pay for it. and private education is not free and STILL you have no idea what it costs.
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