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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74108 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #225 - May 18^th, 2022 at 8:12pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 12:43pm: the group import ethnics did and do tend to gather together. as do aussies living overseas .... your point?
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Reply #226 - May 18^th, 2022 at 8:42pm

John Smith wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 7:44pm:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

No you do not always know what you pay, especially when the government is running it.

You have no evidence at all.

I'm not surprised that you are clueless but most people know what their services cost them. They typically get a bill every month or quarter

Not when the government runs things. They set the price to win votes, not to cover their costs.

good. Since my taxes were already paying for it anyway

Now I still pay the taxes and I get higher bills. Only a moron would argue that is a good thing.

So you are upset because privatisation didn't put an end to taxes?

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Reply #227 - May 18^th, 2022 at 9:59pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:30pm:

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As often as not we get the argument that privatisation forces the price down though we know that isn't true either.

It forces the cost down. The price under government control is entirely arbitrary. Whatever they think will win the most votes.

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You have some examples of this happening.

A public education is free. That does not mean it has no cost, or that you do not pay for it.

I would have thought all of this is bleeding obvious.

All of this is bleeding obvious but it is a poor example which seems to be outside of your proposition and hence does not answer the question.

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They set the price to win votes, not to cover their costs.

How many votes are in Free public education and where is the expectation that it should cover costs?

The bleeding obvious does not support your claim as far as I can see. The example seems to be outside the scope of the claim.

Maybe you could do something with power or telecommunications but the issue there is that they all made greater government profits before they were privatised. Privatisation cost the country in government income quality of service and cost to the end users. So I guess maybe not so much there either.

Banking ? Well damn - another disaster with an out of control financial sector thumbing their nose at government direction and acting more like a banking cartel than competitors.

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Reply #228 - May 18^th, 2022 at 10:11pm

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

No you do not always know what you pay, especially when the government is running it.

You have no evidence at all.

I'm not surprised that you are clueless but most people know what their services cost them. They typically get a bill every month or quarter

Not when the government runs things. They set the price to win votes, not to cover their costs.

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They set the price to win votes

I cannot think of an example where the Government set the price ?

In everything I can think that has been privatised or may be Government holds the operations at arms length with zero input into pricing.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18179 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #229 - May 18^th, 2022 at 10:19pm If we look at electricity we have numerous power companies trying to get people to switch. Those who shop around usually go with the company that has the lowest price when changing companies. Competition drives the prices down. The governments job is running the country it should not be involved in any business.
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Reply #230 - May 18^th, 2022 at 11:56pm

John Smith wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 8:12pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 12:43pm:

the group import ethnics did and do tend to gather together.

as do aussies living overseas .... your point?

Just that they do it - your point??

'Scrimination and 'racism', innit - the way all these groups hang together... though some in them we'd like to see hang... and hang well ... least it keeps all the lower types in one place for easy disposal..... this was not called termination... it was called retirement for the Replicants .........

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Reply #231 - May 18^th, 2022 at 11:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 10:19pm:

If we look at electricity we have numerous power companies trying to get people to switch.

Those who shop around usually go with the company that has the lowest price when changing companies.

Competition drives the prices down.

The governments job is running the country it should not be involved in any business.

Competition has not driven the prices down due to the simple reality that privatisation and the need to feed countless companies rather than a single entity has already raised prices by three times or more..... no amount of companies competing for a part of that already raised cost will make it as low as it should be.

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Reply #232 - May 19^th, 2022 at 12:07am

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 10:19pm:

If we look at electricity we have numerous power companies trying to get people to switch.

Those who shop around usually go with the company that has the lowest price when changing companies.

Competition drives the prices down.

The governments job is running the country it should not be involved in any business.

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Competition drives the prices down.

No matter by how much or how often the facts absolutely refute this people continue to make the claim.

The prices on power never went down they have spiralled upwards out of control from day one of privatisation.

We have already had warnings this year to expect more cost increases for power.

We have this bogus competition where 90% of the companies that can sell you power do not generate any.

The original Government power provider installed over 90% of the network. Most power providers are getting a free ride where they get to charge you and that is about all.

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Reply #233 - May 19^th, 2022 at 7:43am

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 10:19pm:

If we look at electricity we have numerous power companies trying to get people to switch.

Those who shop around usually go with the company that has the lowest price when changing companies.

Competition drives the prices down.

The governments job is running the country it should not be involved in any business.

Bullshyte ...... never has.

Electricity like Telecommunications - they get you to switch at a lower price .......

then after a honeymoon period they start increasing the price.

And all of this competition rides in on the same infrastructure.

It's an exercise in smoke & mirrors.

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Reply #234 - May 19^th, 2022 at 7:51am

Baronvonrort wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 10:19pm:

If we look at electricity we have numerous power companies trying to get people to switch.

Those who shop around usually go with the company that has the lowest price when changing companies.

Competition drives the prices down.

The governments job is running the country it should not be involved in any business.

Here's a prime example it does not -

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NBN Co’s ‘sneaky’ 20pc hike will byte
EXCLUSIVE
STEPHEN DRILL
HOME internet prices will soar in a sneaky post-election cost-of-living
bombshell to be dropped as soon as Monday.
Industry sources say NBN Co will demand price rises of up to 20 per cent
on some smaller data plans, adding to consumers’ hip-pocket pain amid
rising interest rates.
The secret new prices NBN Co wants to charge retailers – including
Telstra, Optus and TPG – are in a submission to the Australian
Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC). NBN Co sent through a -
redacted version of the pricehike paper, which in April forced the ACCC to
delay its release until after the election.
NBN Co’s submission to the ACCC, known as the Special Access
Undertaking, will lock in price rises to 2040.
The $60bn network has been plagued by cost blowouts and revelations
taxpayers footed the bill for senior executives’ Lego training sessions.
New Zealand rolled out its high-speed broadband at a cost of $1200 per
premises in 2021, while NBN Co spent $4400.
It’s understood larger distances, as well as leasing payments to Telstra,
added to the cost of the rollout here.
But retail prices for NBN are much cheaper in NZ – Spark offers 859Mbps
for $A90 a month, including Netflix.
Telstra charges $140 a month for 700Mbps, with higher wholesale costs
paid to NBN Co passed on to customers.
Telstra spokesman Steve Carey said the NBN was underused and urged a
review.
“We want NBN Co to be successful. But we need a way forward that
delivers more certainty for the market, better services for customers, and
sustainable returns for retailers – without excessive profits for NBN Co,”
he said.
Antony de Jong, boss of Vocus Retail, which owns Dodo, iPrimus and
Commander, said there was a risk “low-income Australians” were
“ignored and left behind”.
TPG Telecom’s James Rickards said: “We need a pricing structure that
makes broadband more affordable and accessible for all homes and
businesses – not one that adds to the cost-of-living pressures.”

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Reply #235 - May 19^th, 2022 at 9:17pm

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

No you do not always know what you pay, especially when the government is running it.

You have no evidence at all.

I'm not surprised that you are clueless but most people know what their services cost them. They typically get a bill every month or quarter

Not when the government runs things. They set the price to win votes, not to cover their costs.

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They set the price to win votes

I cannot think of an example where the Government set the price ?

In everything I can think that has been privatised or may be Government holds the operations at arms length with zero input into pricing.

Would you like to have another go at using sentences?

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Here's a prime example it does not

Classic example, but if DNA didn't think of it, does it exist?

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Reply #236 - May 20^th, 2022 at 12:17am

freediver wrote on May 19^th, 2022 at 9:17pm:

Dnarever wrote on May 18^th, 2022 at 10:11pm:

freediver wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 9:20pm:

John Smith wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 14^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

No you do not always know what you pay, especially when the government is running it.

You have no evidence at all.

I'm not surprised that you are clueless but most people know what their services cost them. They typically get a bill every month or quarter

Not when the government runs things. They set the price to win votes, not to cover their costs.

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They set the price to win votes

I cannot think of an example where the Government set the price ?

In everything I can think that has been privatised or may be Government holds the operations at arms length with zero input into pricing.

Would you like to have another go at using sentences?

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Here's a prime example it does not

Classic example, but if DNA didn't think of it, does it exist?

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Would you like to have another go at using sentences?

No

Would you like to point to something to support your statement - What did the government privatise that they previously set the price on ?

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Classic example, but if DNA didn't think of it, does it exist?

If that were true why would I ask to be enlightened ?

Surely there is an example to show that what you said is true.

It is true that I can think of none, it is possible that it is my failing?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12283 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #237 - Jun 4^th, 2022 at 11:25pm John Clarke and Brian Dawe on electricity privatization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELaBzj7cn14
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83318 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #238 - Jun 4^th, 2022 at 11:26pm ... sucks ......
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #239 - Jun 5^th, 2022 at 10:29am Quote: Would you like to point to something to support your statement - What did the government privatise that they previously set the price on ? Everything that the government privatised previously had the price set by the government.
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