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Reply #15 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:03pm
 
There has been no known successful privatisation in Australia.
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Reply #16 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 4:39pm:
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It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt.


That's not why they do it.


Typically not but it was the reason behind NSW's Labor's attempted power sell off.

Simply the NSW government could not afford the necessary upgrades and maintenance due to a long period of neglect.

So it isn't always the reason but it can be.
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Reply #17 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 7:53pm:
For far more fundamental reasons - the government should not be running these businesses in the first place.


Government running essential services makes a huge amount of sense. It is simply the best way to do it, the best method to provide necessary services to the community.

Without the commonwealth bank in government hands the banking sector went rogue, they just do what they like.

In telecommunications Telecom Australia had the responsibility of providing the communication network required in their charter. This means that they would have just built the NBN without a decade of haggling, bad decisions and sub standard performance driving the process with the final outcome being a slow uncompetitive network by world standards.
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Reply #18 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:22pm
 
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The notion that the Government shouldn't run/own anything is incredibly short-sighted and is ideologically based.  Even likening it to communism only strengthens that argument.


How does the clearest possible example of government ruining the economy by controlling all the businesses strengthen the argument for government ownership?

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Power, Water, Health etc, it's all the same.


No, they are all different. These are good examples of the different economic arguments for or against privatisation.

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I am accusing you of nothing less than outright fraudulence, removing the topic of privatization from the MMT thread.


That's nice dear.

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There has been no known successful privatisation in Australia.


How would you know if it was successful or not?

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Simply the NSW government could not afford the necessary upgrades and maintenance due to a long period of neglect.


So the infrastructure was being mismanaged by the government and this was only going to continue, and you think this is an argument for government ownership?

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Government running essential services makes a huge amount of sense.


Meaningless waffle. Is food an essential service?
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Reply #19 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:24pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 4:39pm:
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It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt.


That's not why they do it.


Now YOUR  thread, entitled 'privatization', has people's replies entitled under  BOTH "Modern Monetary Theory' AND 'privatization' ...

I say again: restore the reply function to post #125  in the MMT thread, or be exposed as a fraud. 

Where this was the post being debated (on the Modern Monetary Theory thread):

"It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the bankster's agenda."

..until you -  as blindly self-interested  as the banksters mentioned above -  diverted the topic to avoid an  examination of  the current evil neoliberal economic debt-money system.    

https://youtu.be/2nBPN-MKefA

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Reply #20 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:45pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 4:39pm:
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It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt.


That's not why they do it.


Now YOUR  thread, entitled 'privatization', has people's replies entitled under  BOTH "Modern Monetary Theory' AND 'privatization' ...

I say again: restore the reply function to post #125  in the MMT thread, or be exposed as a fraud. 

Where this was the post being debated (on the Modern Monetary Theory thread):

"It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the bankster's agenda."

..until you -  as blindly self-interested  as the banksters mentioned above -  diverted the topic to avoid an  examination of  the current evil neoliberal economic debt-money system.    

https://youtu.be/2nBPN-MKefA



Wrong thread. This belong in conspiracy theories.
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Reply #21 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 4:39pm:
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It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt.


That's not why they do it.


Now YOUR  thread, entitled 'privatization', has people's replies entitled under  BOTH "Modern Monetary Theory' AND 'privatization' ...

I say again: restore the reply function to post #125  in the MMT thread, or be exposed as a fraud. 

Where this was the post being debated (on the Modern Monetary Theory thread):

"It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the bankster's agenda."

..until you -  as blindly self-interested  as the banksters mentioned above -  diverted the topic to avoid an  examination of  the current evil neoliberal economic debt-money system.    

https://youtu.be/2nBPN-MKefA



Wrong thread. This belong in conspiracy theories.


No, it belongs in an examination of economic reality, including why and  how money is created,  which you are unable to confront because it undermines your delusional "freedom"/"sovereign individual rights"/"survival of the fittest" ideology. 

And in any case, you are exposed as a fraud until you reinstate the reply ("quote") function in post #125,  in the MMT thread.   
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Reply #22 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:55pm
 

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Reply #23 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:02pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:55pm:



very good meme

i dont blame the uber rich for doing it.

you have to blame the politicians for being their little bitches and doing their bidding.

the rich have a duty to make money for their shareholders.

the pollies should stop taking the bribes and put the brakes on
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Reply #24 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:07pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:53pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:24pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 4:39pm:
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It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt.


That's not why they do it.


Now YOUR  thread, entitled 'privatization', has people's replies entitled under  BOTH "Modern Monetary Theory' AND 'privatization' ...

I say again: restore the reply function to post #125  in the MMT thread, or be exposed as a fraud. 

Where this was the post being debated (on the Modern Monetary Theory thread):

"It's called 'privatisation', the selling off of state assets to stave off bankruptcy caused by the bank-created debt. Third World countries are handing over control of their land and resources to the international bankers because they cannot pay back the vast loans made, on purpose, by the banks to ensnare them in this very situation. The world does not have to be in poverty and conflict, it is manipulated to be that way because it serves the bankster's agenda."

..until you -  as blindly self-interested  as the banksters mentioned above -  diverted the topic to avoid an  examination of  the current evil neoliberal economic debt-money system.    

https://youtu.be/2nBPN-MKefA



Wrong thread. This belong in conspiracy theories.


No, it belongs in an examination of economic reality, including why and  how money is created,  which you are unable to confront because it undermines your delusional "freedom"/"sovereign individual rights"/"survival of the fittest" ideology. 

And in any case, you are exposed as a fraud until you reinstate the reply ("quote") function in post #125,  in the MMT thread.   


FTW.
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Reply #25 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:11pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:55pm:



very good meme

i dont blame the uber rich for doing it.

you have to blame the politicians for being their little bitches and doing their bidding.

the rich have a duty to make money for their shareholders.

the pollies should stop taking the bribes and put the brakes on



The average person is being shafted by Govts. and banksters.
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Reply #26 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:44pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:07pm:
FTW.


Ladies and gentlemen, freediver happily exposes himself as a fraud, by his own admission: "FTW".   

Of course by definition, truth is irrelevant to fraudsters, which is why freediver refuses to restore the 'quote' button to post #125,  in the MMT thread. 
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Reply #27 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
What would have been done differently if it was in the government's hands?


A transmission tower would have had all of its “feet” in a thick pad of cement. We saw one such tower toppled that day, one of its “feet” up in the air—with like a 20L collar of cement around the base of it. That is not how such a massive tower carrying high voltage lines is anchored to the ground! There were also not enough apprentices to get power back up more quickly.

I drove from Gawler to Marion through a blacked out city, cops on duty at major intersections directing traffic with torches. Bit like the blackout in WWIi Britain (apart from car headlights. Eery.)
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Reply #28 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 3:00pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:56pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
What would have been done differently if it was in the government's hands?


A transmission tower would have had all of its “feet” in a thick pad of cement. We saw one such tower toppled that day, one of its “feet” up in the air—with like a 20L collar of cement around the base of it. That is not how such a massive tower carrying high voltage lines is anchored to the ground! There were also not enough apprentices to get power back up more quickly.

I drove from Gawler to Marion through a blacked out city, cops on duty at major intersections directing traffic with torches. Bit like the blackout in WWIi Britain (apart from car headlights. Eery.)


Who built the tower?
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Reply #29 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 4:33pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:11pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 2:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 1:55pm:



very good meme

i dont blame the uber rich for doing it.

you have to blame the politicians for being their little bitches and doing their bidding.

the rich have a duty to make money for their shareholders.

the pollies should stop taking the bribes and put the brakes on



The average person is being shafted by Govts. and banksters.


its odd they cant see it bobby.

look at the pandemic

who benefited?

amazon
facebook
netflix
pfizer
bunnings
gerry harvey
the media


big governments right or left, it doesnt matter.
they do what big tech and big corp tell them or they are out.

look at america and joe biden.
military spending is up.
we had trump saying that the USA should mind its own business.
the cia and the military industrial complex went nuts.
in comes biden


did you know biden , obama and hilary dropped more bombs then george bush?
they dropped so many , they ran out of bombs.


nancy pelosi, a so called friend of the down trodden, as woke as f**k is worth 320 million dollars.

how did she get that when her salary is 200k a year.
she brought millions worth of tesla stock just before biden announces an EV mandate.

but because she is woke, the lefties idolise her.

she is laughing so hard at those fools

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