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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29104 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #300 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 1:58pm freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:23am: Quote: I don't have to become squat ... it's just common sense What is common sense? Do you have a grand conspiracy to explain all those rail lines being left to rot if using them is such an obvious choice? Privatisation
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Reply #302 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:00pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:23am:

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I don't have to become squat ... it's just common sense

What is common sense?

That social issues are as important as private profit.

That the Adelaide Darwin railway is a net benefit, in terms of safer roads for road users, and lower prices.

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Do you have a grand conspiracy to explain all those rail lines being left to rot if using them is such an obvious choice?

Short distance hauls are cheaper by truck.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #303 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:02pm Quote: That social issues are as important as private profit. What social issues? People's emotional feelings about trains?
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Reply #304 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:22pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2022 at 2:58pm:

Crap. You do not need "$trillions" to invest in renewables.

Nevertheless, fossil companies are resisting transition to renewables, because once the infrastructure is built, the fuel is free. Privatization is then redundant.

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And a billion dollar price tag on a coal fired power station does not make something a natural monopoly. Quite the opposite in fact. If one station costs that much, why is it natural for one company to own them all?

It's not, but is IS natural for the government to own them all.....to remove the profit-gouging.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12283 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #305 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:26pm freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 9:02pm: Quote: That social issues are as important as private profit. What social issues? People's emotional feelings about trains? Not 'emotion', but road-destroying heavy trucks and increased accidents between extra long vehicles and cars.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #306 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:01pm Quote: Not 'emotion', but road-destroying heavy trucks That's a social issue?
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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 47293 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #307 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:02pm Can I privatise my penis or is it controlled by the Government?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57922 Here Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #308 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:38pm Jasin wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:02pm: Can I privatise my penis or is it controlled by the Government? Does it operate as a public service or a market product ? Or Is it just a small amount of waste material ?
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83309 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #309 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:52pm Jasin wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:02pm: Can I privatise my penis or is it controlled by the Government? There are some who would have no trouble identifying as one.... you could put it on Ebay - service only....
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Reply #310 - Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:57pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 11:38pm:

Jasin wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:02pm:

Can I privatise my penis or is it controlled by the Government?

Does it operate as a public service or a market product ?

Or

Is it just a small amount of waste material ?

Ummm - I think it's public service for JaS.... right into equal opportunity for women he is....

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Reply #311 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2022 at 10:01pm:

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Not 'emotion', but road-destroying heavy trucks

That's a social issue?

you left out "and increased accidents" which ARE a social issue, as Tim Fischer, MP - rail enthusiast - well knew.

And of course privatization is a social issue.

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/07/11/concierge-capitalism-the-conservative-free-ma...

CONCIERGE CAPITALISM
The Conservative Free Market Myth
Sam Bright
11 July 2022

"A False God

Such is the form of capitalism engendered by the Conservative Party – whereby state assets, including natural monopolies like rail and energy, have been flogged to politically savvy corporate monoliths under the vague pretence of competition.

A generous corporate taxation system – reduced from a headline rate of 28% in 2010 to 19% today – combined with a laissez faire approach to legal tax avoidance, aided by London’s offshore service economy, has assisted the creation of commercial empires. The rise of the gig economy, and the Conservative Party’s unwillingness to institute protections for insecure workers, hike wages or curb the inflation of rents, has allowed these corporate giants to exploit the individual to pad their bottom line.

This is a form of concierge capitalism: using state power to tip the economic scales in favour of the entrenched elite, and awarding access to state contracts on the basis of inside knowledge and connections.

These principles violate the free market ideals preached by the Conservative leadership candidates, and actively guard against open competition on the basis of merit.

This is embedded in the architecture of the Conservative Party – with its reliance on big money donors, and its penchant for appointing Old Etonian prime ministers (graduates of the £45,000-a-year school have governed for 10 of the last 12 years).

Ben Elliot (also an Old Etonian), the chair of the Conservative Party, himself is the co-founder of Quintessentially – a concierge company for the super rich, offering everything from travel advice to real estate consultancy and personal shopping. Elliot, who is the nephew of Camilla, Duchess of Cornwall, has previously been accused of offering access to Prince Charles in exchange for a lucrative Quintessentially membership.

In the same way that professional and political success is reserved to those who attended elite schools, while successive governments have lauded the doctrine of social mobility, so too is our economy rigged in favour of the already rich and powerful – while prospective prime ministers bow before the false god of the free market.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #312 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 8:07pm Do you think energy is a natural monopoly?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57922 Here Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #313 - Jul 26^th, 2022 at 11:48pm freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 8:07pm: Do you think energy is a natural monopoly? Energy is just a source of useable power. Power provision is best marketed as a service. (essential service). Private corporations cannot be trusted with essential services. At best the do it poorly.
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Reply #314 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 2:06am

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 8:07pm:

Do you think energy is a natural monopoly?

Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is. therefore it should not be left in the hands of corporate vultures intent on personal profit.

All such ventures must be abolished immediately without compensation - they've made their millions out of it already.

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