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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #315 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:38am Quote: Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is. Is food also a natural monopoly?
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Reply #316 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 1:28pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 2:06am:

freediver wrote on Jul 26^th, 2022 at 8:07pm:

Do you think energy is a natural monopoly?

Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is. therefore it should not be left in the hands of corporate vultures intent on personal profit.

All such ventures must be abolished immediately without compensation - they've made their millions out of it already.

Hear hear ....politics makes strange bedfellows..

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12283 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #317 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 1:30pm freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:38am: Quote: Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is. Is food also a natural monopoly? No I can grow my own food.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #318 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 5:49pm So energy is a natural monopoly because everyone needs it, but food is not a natural monopoly because you can grow your own? Can someone translate your gibberish into plain English?
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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #319 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:03pm You can't grow your own energy as easy as you can grow your own food. Energy should be distributed as cheaply as possible. We the people are the ones paying for it, so we should get it a the base price. Corporations are toxic. They destroy everything in the name of profit. Pure greed.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29104 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #320 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:09pm freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:38am: Quote: Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is. Is food also a natural monopoly? Natural? ... No But corporatised agriculture(large scale privatisation) is having it's affects in driving up food prices.
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Reply #321 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:10pm

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

So energy is a natural monopoly because everyone needs it, but food is not a natural monopoly because you can grow your own?

Can someone translate your gibberish into plain English?

Not to a self-admitted ideological fraud like you, who like all Conservatives prefer to defend ANY self-serving, self interested private-profit maximization policies including privatization of essential services.

Try tackling my comment, if you want to stop being a fraud. I can grow my own food, I can't produce my own electricity.

Which is not to say the government shouldn't subsidize food if necessary, but it IS to say essential energy should be a public monopoly since people can't produce their own electricity needs, which are most efficiently produced by large (public) enterprises serving the public need, not private profit.

As I see #319 and #320 have already explained to you, but which you won't be able to comprehend...

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Reply #322 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:15pm

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

So energy is a natural monopoly because everyone needs it, but food is not a natural monopoly because you can grow your own?

Can someone translate your gibberish into plain English?

How about your gibberish about "natural" monopolies?

Govt monopolies on essential services is good.

Private enterprise monopolies or private competition on essential services is bad.

It has not in all the years it's been allowed reduced the costs of provision of essential services to any consumer.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #323 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:27pm Quote: It has not in all the years it's been allowed reduced the costs of provision of essential services to any consumer. You are full of crap.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29104 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #324 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:42pm freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:27pm: Quote: It has not in all the years it's been allowed reduced the costs of provision of essential services to any consumer. You are full of crap. About 2/3rds less than you. Show me where it's reduced costs of provision of essential services. Bet you can't.
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Reply #325 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:52pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:42pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

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It has not in all the years it's been allowed reduced the costs of provision of essential services to any consumer.

You are full of crap.

About 2/3rds less than you.

Show me where it's reduced costs of provision of essential services.

Bet you can't. Roll Eyes

If you say something stupid, it is not up to others to prove you wrong. Just pointing out that you make crap up is sufficient.

In fact, I bet you could not even explain how you would go about backing up what you say.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57922 Here Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #326 - Jul 27^th, 2022 at 10:06pm freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:38am: Quote: Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is. Is food also a natural monopoly? Food is a group of products produced by thousands of providers and does not typically operate like a service. It is by nature the opposite to a monopoly.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83309 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #327 - Jul 28^th, 2022 at 12:08am sucks - Australia nul... Kiwispeak...
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Reply #328 - Jul 28^th, 2022 at 12:12am

Gnads wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 5:49pm:

So energy is a natural monopoly because everyone needs it, but food is not a natural monopoly because you can grow your own?

Can someone translate your gibberish into plain English?

How about your gibberish about "natural" monopolies?

Govt monopolies on essential services is good.

Private enterprise monopolies or private competition on essential services is bad.

It has not in all the years it's been allowed reduced the costs of provision of essential services to any consumer.

False equation right there - comparison is between government monopoly on essential service and private monopoly on essential service. Clearly government charges less for the same service...

When you add in 'private competition' with a cartel who represent to the government that is also a major shareholder for rises in prices - who ya gonna believe? When it's in the government's benefit as shareholders, of course they will raise the prices.

That's why there should be NO shareholders in essential services.

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Reply #329 - Jul 28^th, 2022 at 6:51am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 10:06pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 27^th, 2022 at 6:38am:

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Everyone in our current society needs it - so yes, it is.

Is food also a natural monopoly?

Food is a group of products produced by thousands of providers and does not typically operate like a service. It is by nature the opposite to a monopoly.

And yet everyone needs it, which is the only explanation given for why energy is a natural monopoly.

Am I right that no two people here can give the same answer?

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