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Re: privatisation
Reply #345 - Jul 29^th, 2022 at 11:09am

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

Classic John Smith. You cannot compare things if they are different.

they're not even remotely similar dumarse. Anyone can grow and sell food. Even you. All they need is a plot of land.

If I want to sell power to the grid you have no options. There is only one line to the house and only one company controlling it.

how about you try something comparable to energy instead of the most ridiculous comparison you can make. Or are you worried that if you stick to something comparable your argument falls flat on it's face?

What company is that?

depends on where you are

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Reply #346 - Aug 1^st, 2022 at 1:38pm

The sorry history of the CES, under the evil ideology of neoliberalism and its bastard offspring, privatization.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-07-05/interest-rates-rise-expected-to-increase-...

"Since 1946, the CES had been responsible for linking unemployed people with job vacancies, filling labour shortages, and producing regular statistics on the labour force.

It had offices everywhere, with specialist staff that maintained relationships with employers around the country.

Back then, when politicians boasted about finding work for unemployed Australians, it wasn't rhetoric. They were responsible for the government agency that did so.

Here's an excerpt from a parliamentary debate in 1963 in which William McMahon, then minister for labour, bragged about his government's achievements:

[.......]

However, when full employment was ditched (after the 70's], the CES was white-anted.

CES staff, who'd spent their careers trying to help unemployed people find work, were increasingly asked to spend more time monitoring the behaviour of the unemployed to help find budget savings by cutting people off welfare for failing numerous "activity tests".

A new philosophy blew through Canberra, on winds from overseas, that saw value in attaching increasingly onerous conditions to welfare payments.

Initially, there was strong resistance from CES staff to the new culture, but their resistance was worn down.

And things changed fundamentally in 1998 when the "employment services" the CES provided were privatised.

"This radical transformation of employment service delivery is without parallel in OECD countries," noted the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development in a special paper on Australia's new labour market experiment.

"Since the introduction of Job Network in 1998, employment services are mainly offered by independent providers from the private and community sector.

"The remaining government body is offering services on the same terms and conditions as the private providers, and has retained only a relatively minor share in the market."

Fast forward to 2022, and that privatisation has proven very profitable for the private companies that win lucrative government contracts to deliver those "employment services" each year.

But it's also given those private companies power to suspend Australians' welfare payments."

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Reply #347 - Aug 1^st, 2022 at 6:27pm

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

My case is that DNA is dribbling crap. I made it by quoting him.

Do either of you know how to go about checking whether he is telling the truth?

With your undeniable experience, skill and dedication to high quality crap dribbling I find that I have to take your life time achievement into account and respect your stated position even though I have no idea what you are referring to.

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Do either of you know how to go about checking whether he is telling the truth?

The assessment is easy as I always tell the truth, very occasionally I am wrong but that isn't about honesty. In this case I am most likely correct as shown by this type of side step completely avoiding any real position.

If you are referring to there being no example of a successful privatisation in Australia the rebuttal is easy just name it if you believe that there is one.

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Reply #348 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 8:11am

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With your undeniable experience, skill and dedication to high quality crap dribbling I find that I have to take your life time achievement into account and respect your stated position even though I have no idea what you are referring to.

Have you tried reading the discussion?

John Smith wrote on Jul 29^th, 2022 at 11:09am:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 9:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 28^th, 2022 at 5:48pm:

Classic John Smith. You cannot compare things if they are different.

they're not even remotely similar dumarse. Anyone can grow and sell food. Even you. All they need is a plot of land.

If I want to sell power to the grid you have no options. There is only one line to the house and only one company controlling it.

how about you try something comparable to energy instead of the most ridiculous comparison you can make. Or are you worried that if you stick to something comparable your argument falls flat on it's face?

What company is that?

depends on where you are

https://www.aer.gov.au/consumers/choosing-an-energy-retailer/getting-connected

Already connected?
If your home or business is already connected to the energy network (electricity wires and gas pipelines) your connection will be arranged when you contact your retailer to set up your contract and account with them. You may be charged a fee for this. You should ask your retailer about costs when you speak to them.

If you are using this opportunity to think about changing your retailer refer to Switching retailers for additional information.

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Re: privatisation
Reply #349 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:33am

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 8:11am:

https://www.aer.gov.au/consumers/choosing-an-energy-retailer/getting-connected

Already connected?
If your home or business is already connected to the energy network (electricity wires and gas pipelines) your connection will be arranged when you contact your retailer to set up your contract and account with them. You may be charged a fee for this. You should ask your retailer about costs when you speak to them.

If you are using this opportunity to think about changing your retailer refer to Switching retailers for additional information.

why are you looking at retail? The discussion was about providing electricity to sell to the grid.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83309 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #350 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:39am Smith specialises in ad homs and similar nonsense without support of any kind... couple of those here...
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Reply #351 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 1:52pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 10:39am:

Smith specialises in ad homs and similar nonsense without support of any kind... couple of those here...

yet freediver is a self-admitted fraud (see #24) who diverted the original discussion from MMT...'FTW'.

Ie for the ideology of self-interest, not for reasoned collective well-being. You really want to support his greedy privatization ideology?

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Reply #352 - Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 2:06pm

freediver wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2022 at 8:11am:

What company is that?

The electricity company - or rather cartel of companies - which should be nationalized, because there is no skill in retailing electricity, and no benefit in insisting electricity production must be via many small companies competing to produce energy, in the market.

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If you are using this opportunity to think about changing your retailer refer to Switching retailers for additional information.

'Opportunity' to "switch retailers"? like buying shell petrol instead of caltex petrol? Boooooring.....typical neoliberal consumer market BS.

These private electricity retailers should go get a real job, instead of wasting consumers' time devising incomprehensible retail 'plans'.

Should all be nationalized.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #353 - Aug 3^rd, 2022 at 2:45pm Quote: Boooooring Why do you rant about it constantly if it bores you? Is this the latest CCP line, because the stooges have given up trying to convince anyone?
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Reply #354 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 9:00am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 8:36am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 7:52am:

Gnads wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 7:42am:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 7:38am:

Captain Caveman wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 10:11am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 9:22am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2022 at 8:50am:

I'm just not happy with being paid 5c a Kw to put power into the system, and then being charged 40c for it when I take it out.... and then being told that my contribution doesn't pay its way.

Well - phark them and their shareholders. I'm re-visiting the idea of getting batteries installed and even cutting off supply from outside.

The power companies have a good reason for that which
convinced the Govt. regulators.
A huge part of the cost of your electricity comes
from maintaining the network hardware e.g.
the power poles, transformers and transmission lines.
Why should you use that for free?

True, but that can all be done without privatising.
The problem with electricity is its essential.
Essential services should not be privatised.

Is food essential?

Where do people get this garbage from? The socialist alliance?

Stupid question .... the statement was about electricity.

No, the statement is about economics. The economics of the economically illiterate. This is what you said:

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Essential services should not be privatised.

Do you think this is true by itself, or is it only true if you first pick and choose what industry to apply it to, based on whether the socialist alliance thinks it should be state run?

Of course you can pick and choose - food is optional in that people choose what they want to eat and some have different dietary requirements, so it is an open market. Certain things are only used by certain people. Power is always the same..... so again this morning - that is a false comparison - one from divide and one from you so far. Wait for the real doozies to get in from the overnight high....

So it is nothing to do with whether it is essential. Rather, you think that if it is a commodity it should not be privatised?

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Reply #355 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 9:00am:

So it is nothing to do with whether it is essential. Rather, you think that if it is a commodity it should not be privatised?

Fraud-diver now showing he is thick as well as fraudulent.

Re non-essential consumption: consumers can "pick and choose" ie decide whether to consume certain products (even different types of food), whether under socialism or market neoliberalism.

As opposed to consumption of essential electricity; you can't pick and choose between electrons, therefore the private sector shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the marketing of electricity, given price gouging by private- sector profit seekers in the production of fossil fuels used to generate electricity (eg the OPEC cartel setting global prices).

Speaking of neoliberal market failure: now even builders are going broke in Oz, despite strong demand for over-priced housing, because prices of materials are sky-rocketing...

Even Harry Triguboff is very worried....

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Reply #356 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

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Reply #357 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:05pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

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It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.

Why would you think that workers living decently has anything to do with the targets and intentions of big business or the governments that they control / own.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 45884 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #358 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:34pm Because neoliberalism steals money from workers to (over)pay CEOs etc. Neoliberalism is running out of other people’s money.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74099 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #359 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:57pm Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:34pm: Because neoliberalism steals money from workers to (over)pay CEOs etc. Neoliberalism is running out of other people’s money. yep ... workers are now receiving the lowest amount of gdp since 1960 ... all whilst profits are at record levels.
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