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Re: privatisation
Reply #360 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

um

thats bacause the entitled modern folk define living decently as

an air conditioned car
a smart phone (and 1 for each kid)
a tv in the bedroom
a coffee machine
access to expensive surgeries
cosmetic dental work
unlimited chocalate and take away food
travel by plane
the odd cruise
20 pairs of shoes
netflix

a king or queen 50 years ago had none of those things

bow down and give praise for all that capitalism has delivered to you and that you are ungrateful for

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Reply #361 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 5:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 1:58pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 9:00am:

So it is nothing to do with whether it is essential. Rather, you think that if it is a commodity it should not be privatised?

Fraud-diver now showing he is thick as well as fraudulent.

Re non-essential consumption: consumers can "pick and choose" ie decide whether to consume certain products (even different types of food), whether under socialism or market neoliberalism.

As opposed to consumption of essential electricity; you can't pick and choose between electrons, therefore the private sector shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the marketing of electricity, given price gouging by private- sector profit seekers in the production of fossil fuels used to generate electricity (eg the OPEC cartel setting global prices).

Speaking of neoliberal market failure: now even builders are going broke in Oz, despite strong demand for over-priced housing, because prices of materials are sky-rocketing...

Even Harry Triguboff is very worried....

Your food is also made up of electrons, protons and neutrons.

You can choose who provides your electricity and how they generate it.

So what is the fundamental economic difference?

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Reply #362 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 5:44pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

But still far better off than the Chinese whose wealth you constantly dribble poo about.

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Reply #363 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 6:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:34pm:

Because neoliberalism steals money from workers to (over)pay CEOs etc. Neoliberalism is running out of other people’s money.

When did it become 'neo', Juvenile Mong, and what was it like before that? What twiggewed the 'neo'?

Oh, you don't know? You are just kibitzing shite from the side?? Good boy. Mustafaken and ducky will give you your bananas and the 10 rupees for the bus.

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Reply #364 - Aug 26^th, 2022 at 6:37pm

Capitalism is one of the worst things to happen to humanity and we'll show you why.

Here are 10 miserable failures of capitalism:

The hotel breakfast was out of waffle mix this morning: Say what you will about the gulags, they NEVER had this problem.

Your Che Guevara t-shirt was delayed during shipment: Virtue signal delayed! Lame!

Google Maps on your iPhone 13 Pro Max sent you to the wrong end of the park for the abortion protest: It was inconvenient.

That time you stubbed your toe on your Roomba on the way to make your morning espresso: Every single day, capitalism is literally trying to kill you.

There are just too many entertainment options and streaming services and it's stressing you out: Capitalism doesn't care about your mental health.

When you go to the store to pick up some sugar-free almond milk for lactose intolerant vegans, and you can only find the kind with sugar: UGH!

The time AOC's head got stuck in a fence: Without capitalism, the fence wouldn't exist — with Communism, it'd be an impenetrable block wall separating East and West Berlin that you couldn't get your head stuck in.

Loot crates in video games: Evil. Pure evil.

The McDonald's ice cream machine broke down and you can't get your soft serve: Why would capitalism allow this to happen?

You don't want to work and you're broke: This leaves you with only as much wealth and luxury as a mid-tier noble from 200 years ago. Terrible!

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Reply #365 - Aug 26^th, 2022 at 6:53pm

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 5:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

But still far better off than the Chinese whose wealth you constantly dribble poo about.

Er.... the subject (in the post to which you imagined you were replying) is the result of 4 decades of market neoliberalism in the UK....neoliberalism which Xi has finally realized needs to be managed rather closely......

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Reply #366 - Aug 26^th, 2022 at 7:12pm

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:34pm:

Because neoliberalism steals money from workers to (over)pay CEOs etc. Neoliberalism is running out of other people’s money.

When did it become 'neo', Juvenile Mong, and what was it like before that? What twiggewed the 'neo'?

'Neo' is a reference to the market liberalism which led up to the Great Depression. FDR's govt. intervention (to deal with unemployment) upended it, and it was supplanted by Keynesian "welfare state" economics after WW2.

However, the Arab oil embargo and increasing competition from low wage Asia led to stagflation in the first world in the 70s; and hence was born the erroneous prescription of neo-liberalism (non market-intervention) trumpeted by Milton Friedman and adopted by Thatcher and Reagan, ie, 'fighting inflation first' rather than aiming for full employment, as in Keynesian economics.

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Oh, you don't know? You are just kibitzing shite from the side?? Good boy. Mustafaken and ducky will give you your bananas and the 10 rupees for the bus.

Well Frank , now YOU know, so stop being a ...oh never mind.

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Reply #367 - Aug 26^th, 2022 at 8:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 26^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 5:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

But still far better off than the Chinese whose wealth you constantly dribble poo about.

Er.... the subject (in the post to which you imagined you were replying) is the result of 4 decades of market neoliberalism in the UK....neoliberalism which Xi has finally realized needs to be managed rather closely......

What is NEO liberalism?
What is the NEO bit, what is the liberal bit?

How is Xi managing it - is he managing the Neo or the Liberal? How?

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Reply #368 - Aug 26^th, 2022 at 8:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 26^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:34pm:

Because neoliberalism steals money from workers to (over)pay CEOs etc. Neoliberalism is running out of other people’s money.

When did it become 'neo', Juvenile Mong, and what was it like before that? What twiggewed the 'neo'?

'Neo' is a reference to the market liberalism which led up to the Great Depression. FDR's govt. intervention (to deal with unemployment) upended it, and it was supplanted by Keynesian "welfare state" economics after WW2.

However, the Arab oil embargo and increasing competition from low wage Asia led to stagflation in the first world in the 70s; and hence was born the erroneous prescription of neo-liberalism (non market-intervention) trumpeted by Milton Friedman and adopted by Thatcher and Reagan, ie, 'fighting inflation first' rather than aiming for full employment, as in Keynesian economics.

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Oh, you don't know? You are just kibitzing shite from the side?? Good boy. Mustafaken and ducky will give you your bananas and the 10 rupees for the bus.

Well Frank , now YOU know, so stop being a ...oh never mind.

So NEO liberalism is what happened before1929 LEADING to the depression. And then came Keynesianism, supplanting it.

But here you are, a 100 years later, STILL banging on as if it was still 1929?

"Refuted above" innit, galah.

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Reply #369 - Aug 27^th, 2022 at 8:52am

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 26^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 5:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

But still far better off than the Chinese whose wealth you constantly dribble poo about.

Er.... the subject (in the post to which you imagined you were replying) is the result of 4 decades of market neoliberalism in the UK....neoliberalism which Xi has finally realized needs to be managed rather closely......

Do you think he will fix by starving 50 million Chinese to death?

Perhaps drowning a few million baby girls in a bucket?

How about incubating a deadly plague for a few months before admitting it exists?

What will China's next great leap backwards be?

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Reply #371 - Aug 27^th, 2022 at 1:14pm

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2022 at 8:38pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 26^th, 2022 at 7:12pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 6:43pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:34pm:

Because neoliberalism steals money from workers to (over)pay CEOs etc. Neoliberalism is running out of other people’s money.

When did it become 'neo', Juvenile Mong, and what was it like before that? What twiggewed the 'neo'?

'Neo' is a reference to the market liberalism which led up to the Great Depression. FDR's govt. intervention (to deal with unemployment) upended it, and it was supplanted by Keynesian "welfare state" economics after WW2.

However, the Arab oil embargo and increasing competition from low wage Asia led to stagflation in the first world in the 70s; and hence was born the erroneous prescription of neo-liberalism (non market-intervention) trumpeted by Milton Friedman and adopted by Thatcher and Reagan, ie, 'fighting inflation first' rather than aiming for full employment, as in Keynesian economics.

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Oh, you don't know? You are just kibitzing shite from the side?? Good boy. Mustafaken and ducky will give you your bananas and the 10 rupees for the bus.

Well Frank , now YOU know, so stop being a ...oh never mind.

So NEO liberalism is what happened before 1929

No. You misread my meaning.... so I'll reword it:

(classical) liberalism - ie, market non-intervention - led to the GD in 1929.

The NEO-liberalism terminology was adopted to describe the system which supplanted Keynesian economics, following the stagflation era in the 70's.

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But here you are, a 100 years later, STILL banging on as if it was still 1929?
"Refuted above" innit, galah.

Your confusion now cleared up, hopefully.

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Reply #372 - Aug 27^th, 2022 at 1:23pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 4:59pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

um

thats bacause the entitled modern folk define living decently as

an air conditioned car
a smart phone (and 1 for each kid)
a tv in the bedroom
a coffee machine
access to expensive surgeries
cosmetic dental work
unlimited chocalate and take away food
travel by plane
the odd cruise
20 pairs of shoes
netflix

a king or queen 50 years ago had none of those things

bow down and give praise for all that capitalism has delivered to you and that you are ungrateful for

Those things all came out of technology improvements that capitalism exploited.

The option to use technology to improve peoples lives did exist but was corruptly bypassed in favour of making a very small number of people exceptionally wealthy.

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Reply #374 - Aug 27^th, 2022 at 1:33pm

freediver wrote on Aug 27^th, 2022 at 8:52am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 26^th, 2022 at 6:53pm:

freediver wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 5:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

After 4 decades of Thatcher's market neoliberalism and privatizations:

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/energy-bills-food-prices-inflation-average-...

"It’s now impossible for the average worker to live decently in Britain.
A person on the average income in the UK is already struggling to make ends meet. Anything that tips the balance against them now literally leaves them beyond their limits"

But still far better off than the Chinese whose wealth you constantly dribble poo about.

Er.... the subject (in the post to which you imagined you were replying) is the result of 4 decades of market neoliberalism in the UK....neoliberalism which Xi has finally realized needs to be managed rather closely......

Do you think he will fix by starving 50 million Chinese to death?

Of course not; Mao wasn't dealing with market neoliberalism, which was gradually introduced in China following Deng's "opening up" in the 80's.

But now Xi is faced with the downsides of market liberalism (eg real estate bubbles, share market funny-money deals etc etc) which he will fix with planned intervention into the free market. (market subsidization, tax exemptions, targeted govt. spending.)

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Perhaps drowning a few million baby girls in a bucket?

That practice is confined to poor neoliberal economies, China has lifted itself out of that category in the last 4 decades.

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How about incubating a deadly plague for a few months before admitting it exists?

Did the US incubate that plague?

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What will China's next great leap backwards be?

China will double its economy by 2035; you better concern yourself with what's happening in the democratic neoliberal economies - with egregious market failure everywhere resulting in cost of living crises in the 1st world, and actual starvation in the 3rd world.

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