Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 27 28 29 30 31 ... 42
Send Topic Print
privatisation (Read 27652 times)
goosecat
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 553
Re: privatisation
Reply #420 - May 1st, 2024 at 11:16pm
 
Certainly increasing and lobbying to further increase incarceration for ever more minor  infractions throughout society would help privatised prison businesses. However eventually continued growth will require further action. The four leading causes of "Crime" according to Alliant International University are: "Socio/Economic" disparity, family breakdown/instability, peer influence and finally substance abuse. How might the organisation go about engendering and influencing increased growth in each of these areas?
Back to top
« Last Edit: May 2nd, 2024 at 12:46pm by goosecat »  
 
IP Logged
 
Daves2017
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 675
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #421 - May 3rd, 2024 at 9:24am
 
Privatisation?

That’s why Qld can afford to give everyone $1000 towards their power bills.

Because the government didn’t privatised the power generation and still own them.

The situation is of course different In NSW were the Labor government under Kristina ( the mean girl) sold all the power off.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12283
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #422 - May 3rd, 2024 at 12:39pm
 
Setanta wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 8:32pm:
Jasin wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 8:08pm:
Banks should be in charge of an Economy.
They know how to get rich and everyone gets the spillover.
Politicians are not specialised 'Economists'.
Only someone in Representation of 'all' Banks here in Australia should be 'in charge' of Australia's Economy and even the Politicians have to 'bend the knee' to them as the last word.



Ahhh, nothing like a bit of trickle down theory.

https://samim.io/static/upload/Dit-PP1XcAEYrgs.jpg


Brilliant Smiley
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12283
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #423 - May 3rd, 2024 at 12:47pm
 
goosecat wrote on May 1st, 2024 at 11:16pm:
Certainly increasing and lobbying to further increase incarceration for ever more minor  infractions throughout society would help privatised prison businesses. However eventually continued growth will require further action. The four leading causes of "Crime" according to Alliant International University are: "Socio/Economic" disparity, family breakdown/instability, peer influence and finally substance abuse. How might the organisation go about engendering and influencing increased growth in each of these areas?


Maintain the current neoclassical/ neoliberal economic  orthodoxy - it's doing a great job.  Sad
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48816
At my desk.
Re: privatisation
Reply #424 - May 20th, 2024 at 3:24pm
 
Off-Topic replies have been moved to this Topic.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Gnads
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 29104
Gender: male
Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #425 - May 20th, 2024 at 3:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 7:53pm:
For far more fundamental reasons - the government should not be running these businesses in the first place.


Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".

It is not a panacea to everything and small to corporate businesses go belly up everyday.

Why do they fail?
Back to top
 

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais
 
IP Logged
 
SadKangaroo
Gold Member
*****
Offline


#FightStupid

Posts: 16531
Mianjin (Brisbane)
Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #426 - May 21st, 2024 at 10:24am
 
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 7:53pm:
For far more fundamental reasons - the government should not be running these businesses in the first place.


Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".

It is not a panacea to everything and small to corporate businesses go belly up everyday.

Why do they fail?


It depends on what your goal is.

To me, the goal of providing an essential service, like power, water, health and even the Internet these days, is a focus on providing the service and the positive outcomes those services deliver.

The moment you privatise that, the priority is to deliver the bare minimum service, for the highest price at the lowest cost to the business.

The level of service reduced to what is considered the absolute minimum required by regulatory standards IF any even exist, and innovation focuses on cost-cutting and efficiency, not on improving the service.

Those who think the Government shouldn't be running businesses are purely ideologically based.

There are no good outcomes to privatisation where the result is we have to pay more for less and in the cases of vital services, when things go wrong our tax dollars have to bail them out.

We should not be incentivising turning the people into commodities when it comes to basic needs just to transfer wealth to those who donate the most to politicians.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48816
At my desk.
Re: privatisation
Reply #427 - May 21st, 2024 at 11:07am
 
Quote:
Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".


Why not?

Quote:
The moment you privatise that, the priority is to deliver the bare minimum service


What makes you think that?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 83302
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #428 - May 21st, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Daves2017 wrote on May 3rd, 2024 at 9:24am:
Privatisation?

That’s why Qld can afford to give everyone $1000 towards their power bills.

Because the government didn’t privatised the power generation and still own them.

The situation is of course different In NSW were the Labor government under Kristina ( the mean girl) sold all the power off.


Just reached the part in a book where Kristina was handed the top spot - as usual, these are very complex issues and one needs to look at what came of these changes as wrought by the power brokers.  It wasn't just her good looks...

I believe we should never have anyone of foreign birth as our head of government at any level -and even at ministerial level.  they know not the ropes of this country and are generally rapists of economies in one way or another.
Back to top
 

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams
 
IP Logged
 
Dnarever
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 57922
Here
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #429 - May 21st, 2024 at 11:57am
 
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 11:07am:
Quote:
Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".


Why not?

Quote:
The moment you privatise that, the priority is to deliver the bare minimum service


What makes you think that?


Quote:
What makes you think that?


It's called history.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48816
At my desk.
Re: privatisation
Reply #430 - May 21st, 2024 at 12:11pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 11:57am:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 11:07am:
Quote:
Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".


Why not?

Quote:
The moment you privatise that, the priority is to deliver the bare minimum service


What makes you think that?


Quote:
What makes you think that?


It's called history.


You can call it anything you like. Can you explain it? Or is it like a religion for you?
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
aquascoot
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 34129
Gender: male
Re: Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)
Reply #431 - May 21st, 2024 at 12:22pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 10:24am:
Gnads wrote on May 20th, 2024 at 3:00pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 7:53pm:
For far more fundamental reasons - the government should not be running these businesses in the first place.


Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".

It is not a panacea to everything and small to corporate businesses go belly up everyday.

Why do they fail?


It depends on what your goal is.

To me, the goal of providing an essential service, like power, water, health and even the Internet these days, is a focus on providing the service and the positive outcomes those services deliver.

The moment you privatise that, the priority is to deliver the bare minimum service, for the highest price at the lowest cost to the business.

The level of service reduced to what is considered the absolute minimum required by regulatory standards IF any even exist, and innovation focuses on cost-cutting and efficiency, not on improving the service.

Those who think the Government shouldn't be running businesses are purely ideologically based.

There are no good outcomes to privatisation where the result is we have to pay more for less and in the cases of vital services, when things go wrong our tax dollars have to bail them out.

We should not be incentivising turning the people into commodities when it comes to basic needs just to transfer wealth to those who donate the most to politicians.



absolute crap

almost everything that functions well

your car, your iphone, your lap top, your local supermarket , your petrol station, your bakery, your milk supply , your entertainment be it football or horse racing

is run seamlessly and well by PRIVATE industry


almost everything that is a cock up

your public schools, your casualty departments, your court system, your response to fire ants , your olympics , your roads (apart from our smooth tollways), your hospital ramping and public transport

is run hopelessly inefficiently by PUBLIC government over complicated , over bureaucratised, paper shuffling, empire building, unaccountable public servants .


the more we privatise the better off we are

ask russia or venezuela  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12283
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #432 - May 21st, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 12:11pm:
Dnarever wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 11:57am:
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 11:07am:
Quote:
Water & electricity generation & supply should not ever be in the hands of "private enterprise".


Why not?

Quote:
The moment you privatise that, the priority is to deliver the bare minimum service


What makes you think that?


Quote:
What makes you think that?


It's called history.


You can call it anything you like. Can you explain it?


Er .....costs + profit = more than costs.

Quote:
Or is it like a religion for you?


Funny coming from you..... 

"The markets are a good servant, but a bad master, and a worse religion" A. Lovins.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
freediver
Gold Member
*****
Offline


www.ozpolitic.com

Posts: 48816
At my desk.
Re: privatisation
Reply #433 - May 21st, 2024 at 12:47pm
 
Quote:
Er .....costs + profit = more than costs.


The CCP managed to starve 50 million people to death without making any profit at all.
Back to top
 

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.
WWW  
IP Logged
 
thegreatdivide
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics<br
/>

Posts: 12283
Gender: male
Re: privatisation
Reply #434 - May 21st, 2024 at 1:01pm
 
freediver wrote on May 21st, 2024 at 12:47pm:
Quote:
Er .....costs + profit = more than costs.


The CCP managed to starve 50 million people to death without making any profit at all.


The CCP learned from its mistakes, changed course  and created the largest productive capacity in the world.

Do try to keep up.

meantime: costs + profit = higher costs for consumers...no wonder you are desperately diverting from the topic (ironic, since you imagined you  changed the topic of the 'privatization' thread.....] 
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 27 28 29 30 31 ... 42
Send Topic Print