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Re: privatisation
Reply #45 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:15pm
 
Private owners ONLY want profit and LOTS of it and STUFF improving the privatised (sold of cheap!) asset.

Geez, you are naive FD!
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Reply #46 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:18pm
 
You are a mindless parrot, chanting empty slogans.
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Reply #47 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:21pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:11pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:07pm:
Because no reputable public utility would do such shoddy work. Because statements were made to that effect—all four feet should have been encased in a thick pad of concrete, not something you or I would do to secure a gatepost.

Maybe you should take the time and read up about that state-wide blackout?


I read that it was a once in 50 year storm. I grew with publicly owned electricity grids and blackouts happened after regular storms.


We have a once in a 100 year storm twice a year at present.
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Reply #48 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:15pm:
Private owners ONLY want profit and LOTS of it and STUFF improving the privatised (sold of cheap!) asset.

Geez, you are naive FD!



incorrect.


the best things that keep getting improved are made by private companies

just look at smart phones and tv's.

every year they get better and better.

anything done by government is catastrophic and usually a failure.

what do people complain about most

public hospitals, teaching standards, public housing, delays at centrelink.

the private company delivers or the public dont support it.

the public company has a monopoly and the workers bounce out of bed, with the aim of spending as much time as possible gossipping at the water fountain
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Reply #49 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:04pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:15pm:
Private owners ONLY want profit and LOTS of it and STUFF improving the privatised (sold of cheap!) asset.

Geez, you are naive FD!



incorrect.


the best things that keep getting improved are made by private companies

just look at smart phones and tv's.

every year they get better and better.

anything done by government is catastrophic and usually a failure.

what do people complain about most

public hospitals, teaching standards, public housing, delays at centrelink.

the private company delivers or the public dont support it.

the public company has a monopoly and the workers bounce out of bed, with the aim of spending as much time as possible gossipping at the water fountain


I have worked both public and private and universally found the opposite to be true.
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Re: privatisation
Reply #50 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:07pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:15pm:
Private owners ONLY want profit and LOTS of it and STUFF improving the privatised (sold of cheap!) asset.

Geez, you are naive FD!



incorrect.


the best things that keep getting improved are made by private companies

just look at smart phones and tv's.

every year they get better and better.

anything done by government is catastrophic and usually a failure.

what do people complain about most

public hospitals, teaching standards, public housing, delays at centrelink.

the private company delivers or the public dont support it.

the public company has a monopoly and the workers bounce out of bed, with the aim of spending as much time as possible gossipping at the water fountain


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the best things that keep getting improved are made by private companies

just look at smart phones and tv's.

every year they get better and better.


Nobody is saying that manufactured products should be privatised or would be done better. This is driven by profit. While there are huge problems in this type of manufacturing it is outside of this topic. None of these industries were ever public companies and there has never been any intention to privatise them.
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Reply #51 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:16pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 7:15pm:
Private owners ONLY want profit and LOTS of it and STUFF improving the privatised (sold of cheap!) asset.

Geez, you are naive FD!



incorrect.


the best things that keep getting improved are made by private companies

just look at smart phones and tv's.

every year they get better and better.

anything done by government is catastrophic and usually a failure.

what do people complain about most

public hospitals, teaching standards, public housing, delays at centrelink.

the private company delivers or the public dont support it.

the public company has a monopoly and the workers bounce out of bed, with the aim of spending as much time as possible gossipping at the water fountain


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anything done by government is catastrophic and usually a failure.

what do people complain about most

public hospitals, teaching standards, public housing, delays at centrelink.


Untrue - Many government industries performed very well.

Public hospitals are mostly great and they along with Medicare keep the private system functioning. The Private medical system is highly subsidised by the government and Medicare as well as the government system taking on their excess load and functions that the private sector hospitals cannot.

Public schools are about the top standard with a select wealthy few able to attend the very top privates.

Privatisation in Telecommunications, banking, insurance, power etc have all been a disaster. The were all sold at a bargain basement price where the people (The owners never got value for money). Service standards dropped and cost escalated across the board. Privatisation has been an embarrassing corrupt failure in almost every case.
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Reply #52 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:26pm
 
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Nobody is saying that manufactured products should be privatised or would be done better. This is driven by profit. While there are huge problems in this type of manufacturing it is outside of this topic. None of these industries were ever public companies and there has never been any intention to privatise them.


Are you suggesting it is the history of an industry that should determine whether it is privatised?

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Public hospitals are mostly great and they along with Medicare keep the private system functioning. The Private medical system is highly subsidised by the government and Medicare as well as the government system taking on their excess load and functions that the private sector hospitals cannot.

Public schools are about the top standard with a select wealthy few able to attend the very top privates.

Privatisation in Telecommunications, banking, insurance, power etc have all been a disaster. The were all sold at a bargain basement price where the people (The owners never got value for money). Service standards dropped and cost escalated across the board. Privatisation has been an embarrassing corrupt failure in almost every case.


If public schools are so great, why are so many people willing to pay a small fortune to buy a private education for their children and forgo what the government offers them for free?

Same with health care.

All of your examples are meaningless gibberish. It is better because you say it is better, but you have obviously put no thought at all into the truth of what you are saying, or even how to identify the truth.

Take electricity for example. It is a commodity. It leaves no wiggle room for you to blurt out that public electricity is of better quality than private. All we have is price and reliability. Both easily measured. For all the endless whinging about transferring electricity production to the private sector, why has no one presented a shred of objective evidence that it is actually worse?
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Reply #53 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:50pm
 
In NSW EOY results a public school beat all the rest...

I get public health and it is excellent without all the payouts.

Electricity may be a commodity - but that commodity in public hands does not need to satisfy shareholders and rapacious robber barons who 'bought' it.  Price has almost trebled under 'privatisation' with a lower standard of service.

Etc, etc, etc.

A public utility does not have to feed shareholders, duplication of 'ceos' and 'board members' and staff, duplication of administration services, and anything else you can imagine.  It's called efficiency - when a staff of 50 people can handle phone calls in one public organisation - it takes 500 to answer the phones in an endless array of 'private' providers.  Add a recorded answering system that takes you nowhere and clearly service suffers.  Ever tried to get some simple information from 'Services NSW' these days?

It takes one 'ceo' to handle a public utility, and some senior staff - it takes as many 'ceos' etc as there are 'private providers.

It's an absolute no-brainer - it is not more efficient or cost effective - and the facts are there to see... so you are left ONLY with the ideological statement that government should not be in what is a national security business on behalf of the people and not of the leeches in private.

Basically it's all lies ......

P.S.  Don't bother waking Telstra The Private... I've sand-bagged around their terminal in my footpath that runs water into my yard and floods it and dug a ditch and put in a pipe at my expense to the gutter - now don't wake the council in its modern quasi-business style - the drains over the road are still clogged and if I'm flooded again as a result, hell will follow.  I also loaded up my ride on mower today and went down and cut the long grass on that T intersection that makes it dangerous because you can't bloody well see.  Thanks, council - I tried the whipper snipper but angina set in - 72 yos shouldn't be doing your pharken work.

You can stick your private enterprise model up your grass.....
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Reply #54 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:52pm
 
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In NSW EOY results a public school beat all the rest...


Is this the exception that proves the rule? This is yet another measure on which is would be dead simple to make an objective comparison. and you throw us an anecdote.

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Electricity may be a commodity - but that commodity in public hands does not need to satisfy shareholders and rapacious robber barons who 'bought' it.


Is that your objective for whether it "works" - whether people are allowed to profit from it? Are you suggesting you would not care if it cost more and was less reliable in public hands, so long as the potential owners were worse off financially?
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Reply #55 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 5:51pm:
John Smith wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 4:53pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 10th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
What would have been done differently if it was in the government's hands?



they most likely would have had some sort of contingency in place.


Ah. So if the government run the electricity grid, there would be a few backup power stations, just in case? Or a second set of power lines?


I doubt they needed either of those in SA. They just needed some back up switches.

But nevertheless, they would do whatever they needed. Unlike the private sector, it's all about the service instead of about maximising the profit
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Reply #56 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:54pm
 
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I doubt they needed either of those in SA.


Did you not see Monk's anecdote about a pole that got blown over?
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Reply #57 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:56pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
If public schools are so great, why are so many people willing to pay a small fortune to buy a private education for their children and forgo what the government offers them for free?



because they drink the same cool aid you do.

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Reply #58 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:56pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:50pm:
In NSW EOY results a public school beat all the rest...

I get public health and it is excellent without all the payouts.

Electricity may be a commodity - but that commodity in public hands does not need to satisfy shareholders and rapacious robber barons who 'bought' it.  Price has almost trebled under 'privatisation' with a lower standard of service.

Etc, etc, etc.




About 10 years ago I needed a hernia operation.
The public hospital waiting list was 18 months but
my medical insurance with HBA got me done in only 10 days.
So in that case the Govt. service was no good.
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Reply #59 - Apr 11th, 2022 at 8:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2022 at 6:28pm:
You have no idea what John meant do you?

That's OK, neither does John.


You obviously have no idea what anyone means
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