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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13051 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #555 - May 29^th, 2024 at 1:04pm freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Do you understand that nationalising the entire electricity industry includes people using solar panels to supply power to the grid? Yes. Why do you want to own your own PVs?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #556 - May 29^th, 2024 at 1:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:04pm: freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:30pm: Do you understand that nationalising the entire electricity industry includes people using solar panels to supply power to the grid? Yes. Why do you want to own your own PVs? I don't. Why do you ask?
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Reply #557 - May 29^th, 2024 at 1:15pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Do you understand that nationalising the entire electricity industry includes people using solar panels to supply power to the grid?

Yes. Why do you want to own your own PVs?

I don't. Why do you ask?

Good - so you agree "nationalization of the entire electriciy industry" is required to avoid the insanity of rooftop PV owners being charged to send electricity to the grid.

Thanks.

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Reply #558 - May 29^th, 2024 at 1:21pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 12:55pm:

So you think privatisation is better because you cannot trust the government to plan ahead?

What 'Daves 2017' actually said is this:

More public hospitals are needed but long term investment isn't supported by politicians.

Hit the nail on the head: the post-Thatcher 'small government'/low tax/privatisation ideology has pollies by the 'short and curlies'.

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Reply #559 - May 29^th, 2024 at 2:39pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Do you understand that nationalising the entire electricity industry includes people using solar panels to supply power to the grid?

Yes. Why do you want to own your own PVs?

I don't. Why do you ask?

Good - so you agree "nationalization of the entire electriciy industry" is required to avoid the insanity of rooftop PV owners being charged to send electricity to the grid.

Thanks.

There you go again. Logic with CCP characteristics.

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Reply #560 - May 29^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

A failed experiment of the vapid right and now desperately in need of being overturned and the power restored to the people and the endless profits taken out of the hands of the imported parasite types who designed it... you know who I mean...

People mutter darkly about 'government waste and inefficiency' in such things - the waste and inefficiency is in the lavish lifestyles of those who stole the show... as bad as some Hamas head man hiding in Turkey...

Can't wait to hear them taken out one by one....

Now then -about that Grappler plan for superannuation under one roof.... there are antecedents .... the British 'pension' system that varied depending on how much you put in.... some Poms here continue to receive a British pension and get an Aussie one or part... not bad... so if we had a one shop stop super fund for all on the same terms and conditions, without all the waste of fees and charges and levies out of the till....and without the 'government waste' of a highly preferential system for them and a few others .... we could accumulate a national fund of trillions and get the country moving again with blue chip loans to governments and safe businesses (few of) ...

Jeez - Port Kembla steel works is now owned by an Indian Gupta something.... maybe we should sub-contract our new military software to China or similar.... wait for it, people....... how long before the Great Revelation that such a thing has been going on through proxy companies? Our nerds, of course, are all confused about their gender and can't think straight any more...

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Reply #561 - May 29^th, 2024 at 3:56pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 2:39pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:15pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 1:04pm:

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Do you understand that nationalising the entire electricity industry includes people using solar panels to supply power to the grid?

Yes. Why do you want to own your own PVs?

I don't. Why do you ask?

Good - so you agree "nationalization of the entire electriciy industry" is required to avoid the insanity of rooftop PV owners being charged to send electricity to the grid.

Thanks.

There you go again. Logic with CCP characteristics.

No; logic exposing your illogicality....

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #562 - May 29^th, 2024 at 3:58pm So it's true that the Chinese education system teaches people what to think, not how to think.
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Reply #563 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:02pm

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 8:48pm:

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it's a valuable addition to what the public service can't provide

Why not? If the government gave the public service the money instead, would they just waste it?

You look at the facts public assets that have been privatised were running their service and returning profit to the government and not the other way around in general. Since privatisation it is typical for profits to dominate the industry involved which goes on to produce declining service and quality of the product with increased customer costs.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58867 Here Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #564 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:03pm freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 3:58pm: So it's true that the Chinese education system teaches people what to think, not how to think. Don't recall a time when the chinese education system was an Australian public service?
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Reply #565 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:10pm

Dnarever wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 8:48pm:

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it's a valuable addition to what the public service can't provide

Why not? If the government gave the public service the money instead, would they just waste it?

You look at the facts public assets that have been privatised were running their service and returning profit to the government and not the other way around in general. Since privatisation it is typical for profits to dominate the industry involved which goes on to produce declining service and quality of the product with increased customer costs.

Was that supposed to be a response to the quote you posted?

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Reply #566 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:18pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

A failed experiment of the vapid right and now desperately in need of being overturned and the power restored to the people and the endless profits taken out of the hands of the imported parasite types who designed it... you know who I mean...

Good to see you on the right track, FD won't be pleased.

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People mutter darkly about 'government waste and inefficiency' in such things - the waste and inefficiency is in the lavish lifestyles of those who stole the show... as bad as some Hamas head man hiding in Turkey...

Can't wait to hear them taken out one by one....

Correct (I think....): but you are lapsing into verbose lack of clarity again: who exactly are the "ones who stole the show, and who you "can't wait to hear are taken out one by one"?

Surely "the ones who stole the show" are the Friedmanites (economists) and Thatcherites (politicians) who ditched the post-WW2 Keynesian 'big government' welfare state.

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Now then -about that Grappler plan for superannuation under one roof.... there are antecedents .... the British 'pension' system that varied depending on how much you put in.... some Poms here continue to receive a British pension and get an Aussie one or part... not bad... so if we had a one shop stop super fund for all on the same terms and conditions, without all the waste of fees and charges and levies out of the till....and without the 'government waste' of a highly preferential system for them and a few others .... we could accumulate a national fund of trillions and get the country moving again with blue chip loans to governments and safe businesses (few of) ...

Yes (again, I think...); Norway shows how it's done (by taxing fossil fuels); their super fund is much larger than ours.

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Jeez - Port Kembla steel works is now owned by an Indian Gupta something.... maybe we should sub-contract our new military software to China or similar.... wait for it, people....... how long before the Great Revelation that such a thing has been going on through proxy companies? Our nerds, of course, are all confused about their gender and can't think straight any more...

Yes, (... again, I think); globalization created many losers, in the absence of an international manager of fair trade, as opposed to competitve free trade. Even the US is now opting out of free trade, now that China is vastly more productive than the US which can't compete in EVs and PVs.

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Reply #567 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:24pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 3:58pm:

So it's true that the Chinese education system teaches people what to think, not how to think.

No.

Why won't you address the issue?

SK ran into the same problem with you - a self-confessed fraud by your own words. (...."FTW".....).

Here it is again for your consideration:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49241 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #568 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:25pm Quote: Why won't you address the issue? You posted Gibberish. I pointed out that it is gibberish. I cannot force you to understand.
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Reply #569 - May 29^th, 2024 at 4:31pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

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Why won't you address the issue?

You posted Gibberish. I pointed out that it is gibberish. I cannot force you to understand.

Here it is again:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

In a debate, you don't get to merely claim a statement is "gibberish", you need to show why it's gibberish.

But you won't dare to critique the statement, because your critique would expose you as a debating fraud.

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