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Re: privatisation
Reply #570 - May 29^th, 2024 at 5:18pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

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Why won't you address the issue?

You posted Gibberish. I pointed out that it is gibberish. I cannot force you to understand.

Here it is again:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

In a debate, you don't get to merely claim a statement is "gibberish", you need to show why it's gibberish.

But you won't dare to critique the statement, because your critique would expose you as a debating fraud.

Your statement is untrue.

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Re: privatisation
Reply #571 - May 29^th, 2024 at 5:32pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

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Why won't you address the issue?

You posted Gibberish. I pointed out that it is gibberish. I cannot force you to understand.

Here it is again:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

In a debate, you don't get to merely claim a statement is "gibberish", you need to show why it's gibberish.

But you won't dare to critique the statement, because your critique would expose you as a debating fraud.

Your statement is untrue.

Well....at least that's a start of a "critique".

Now you have to say which part of the statement is untrue; there are several issues in the statement which you need to deal with.

Or explain why the statement in its entirety is untrue, if that is what you are asserting.

But I commend you for changing your critique from "gibberish" to "untrue", now let's see your next move....

Here's the statement again for your convenience:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #572 - May 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm Quote: You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof Like I said, logic, with CCP characteristics.
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Re: privatisation
Reply #573 - May 29^th, 2024 at 6:11pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

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You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof

Like I said, logic, with CCP characteristics.

Ah...progress of sorts - but it's like pulling teeth.

So you have identified the particular offending phrase in the statement, good

"You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof"

Can you kindly clarify: you don't want to be paid for them (ie, excess electricity), you even accept being CHARGED for them being sent to the grid (excuse the pun)?

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Re: privatisation
Reply #574 - May 29^th, 2024 at 7:38pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:01am:

SadKangaroo wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 7:56am:

freediver wrote on May 28^th, 2024 at 7:45am:

So it depends on the history. But also it doesn't.

It depends on whether it is an essential service, unless I ask whether it depends on whether it is an essential service.

Will your 'geographically unique' argument disappear if I look at it?

How do you not forgot to breathe on a daily basis?

I'll wait for you to get your story straight.

I suspect you should breath before then ?

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Re: privatisation
Reply #575 - May 29^th, 2024 at 8:22pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

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You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof

Like I said, logic, with CCP characteristics.

It's a tired argument, something I don't like must be communism.

Mandatory seatbelts, legislating the end of drink driving, all things people called communism.

We can point out the shortcomings of our existing system while still accepting it's the best option we have.

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Reply #576 - May 29^th, 2024 at 8:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

Quote:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof

Like I said, logic, with CCP characteristics.

Ah...progress of sorts - but it's like pulling teeth.

So you have identified the particular offending phrase in the statement, good

"You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof"

Can you kindly clarify: you don't want to be paid for them (ie, excess electricity), you even accept being CHARGED for them being sent to the grid (excuse the pun)?

Where are you getting this from? Are you just making it all up? I told you I do not want to own my own PV cells, so why do you keep asking me what I want to do with the electricity I produce?

SadKangaroo wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

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You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof

Like I said, logic, with CCP characteristics.

It's a tired argument, something I don't like must be communism.

Mandatory seatbelts, legislating the end of drink driving, all things people called communism.

We can point out the shortcomings of our existing system while still accepting it's the best option we have.

There is a strong correlation between being a communist and being stupid. The CCP essentially trains people to be stupid.

Can you not see any link at all between nationalising industries and communism?

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Re: privatisation
Reply #577 - May 30^th, 2024 at 12:24pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

A failed experiment of the vapid right and now desperately in need of being overturned and the power restored to the people and the endless profits taken out of the hands of the imported parasite types who designed it... you know who I mean...

People mutter darkly about 'government waste and inefficiency' in such things - the waste and inefficiency is in the lavish lifestyles of those who stole the show... as bad as some Hamas head man hiding in Turkey...

Can't wait to hear them taken out one by one....

Now then -about that Grappler plan for superannuation under one roof.... there are antecedents .... the British 'pension' system that varied depending on how much you put in.... some Poms here continue to receive a British pension and get an Aussie one or part... not bad... so if we had a one shop stop super fund for all on the same terms and conditions, without all the waste of fees and charges and levies out of the till....and without the 'government waste' of a highly preferential system for them and a few others .... we could accumulate a national fund of trillions and get the country moving again with blue chip loans to governments and safe businesses (few of) ...

Jeez - Port Kembla steel works is now owned by an Indian Gupta something.... maybe we should sub-contract our new military software to China or similar.... wait for it, people....... how long before the Great Revelation that such a thing has been going on through proxy companies? Our nerds, of course, are all confused about their gender and can't think straight any more...

No Grapps ... Sanjeev Gupta owns Whyalla Steel in Sth Aust.

Port Kembla is owned by Bluescope Steel ... a spin off from BHP.

CEO is a Mark Vassella.

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Re: privatisation
Reply #578 - May 30^th, 2024 at 12:44pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:18pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:31pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

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Why won't you address the issue?

You posted Gibberish. I pointed out that it is gibberish. I cannot force you to understand.

Here it is again:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof, while at the same time supporting private profit-seeking retailers and wholesalers who can't manage your excess electrons.

In a debate, you don't get to merely claim a statement is "gibberish", you need to show why it's gibberish.

But you won't dare to critique the statement, because your critique would expose you as a debating fraud.

Your statement is untrue.

It's actually not untrue.

Private sector energy providers now want to and are charging you for the power you put back into the grid from your PV array on your roof.

They are charging you for your provision of a product which assists them in supplying energy to everyone else when they should be paying you as a sub-contractor supplier.

In affect they are charging you for your own product.

How is that even remotely a fair and reasonable practice in a private enterprise world?

It's double dipping and a complete ripoff.

If the system cannot handle the input by residential PV systems back into the grid then that is the fault of the Energy provider for not maintaining or upgrading the system to handle it.

The Residential Photovoltaic Rebate Program (PVRP) in 2000.... 24 years ago.

Privatisation?? Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #579 - May 30^th, 2024 at 12:49pm Quote: It's actually not untrue. Yes it is. That was a very longwinded post to demonstrate that you completely missed the point.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29811 Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #580 - May 30^th, 2024 at 1:05pm freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 12:49pm: Quote: It's actually not untrue. Yes it is. That was a very longwinded post to demonstrate that you completely missed the point. You miss the point by selectively editing/copying and pasting pieces from any conversation post. You do that all the time & deliberately.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #581 - May 30^th, 2024 at 1:07pm I told him he said something that was not true. I even quoted the bit that was not true for him. It is clearly not true. It does not magically become true after a long winded, off-topic rant from you.
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Reply #582 - May 30^th, 2024 at 1:58pm

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 8:29pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

freediver wrote on May 29^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

Quote:

You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof

Like I said, logic, with CCP characteristics.

Ah...progress of sorts - but it's like pulling teeth.

So you have identified the particular offending phrase in the statement, good

"You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof"

Can you kindly clarify: you don't want to be paid for them (ie, excess electricity), you even accept being CHARGED for them being sent to the grid (excuse the pun)?

Where are you getting this from? Are you just making it all up? I told you I do not want to own my own PV cells, so why do you keep asking me what I want to do with the electricity I produce?

Ah...we are making progress (but it's like pulling teeth).

I missed the bit where you said you don't want PVs, which means you want the fossil-powered grid.

And you want the privatized fossil-powered grid, which requires government to subsidize consumers because private profit-seeking companies sent most Oz gas overseas, causing prices to sky-rocket in Oz.

SK:

We can point out the shortcomings of our existing system while still accepting it's the best option we have

FD Quote:

There is a strong correlation between being a communist and being stupid. The CCP essentially trains people to be stupid.

Do you imagine you actually replied to SK with that response?

For my part, there IS a better system than our own privatized electricity system.

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Can you not see any link at all between nationalising industries and communism?

Yes. That's why communism and nationalization have advantages.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: privatisation Reply #583 - May 30^th, 2024 at 1:59pm Quote: I missed the bit where you said you don't want PVs, which means you want the fossil-powered grid. Logic, with CCP characteristics. How many ways can you get this wrong?
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Reply #584 - May 30^th, 2024 at 2:05pm

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2024 at 1:59pm:

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I missed the bit where you said you don't want PVs, which means you want the fossil-powered grid.

Logic, with CCP characteristics.

How many ways can you get this wrong?

Ah....we are making progress, but it's like pulling teeth....

So you don't want rooftop PVs, you don't want a connection to the fossil grid; how am I doin' so far...?

(You can stop pulling teeth if you like .....)

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