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Reply #585 - May 30th, 2024 at 2:11pm
 
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So you don't want rooftop PVs, you don't want a connection to the fossil grid;  how am  I doin' so far...?


You are giving us an excellent demonstration of the outcome of the CCP's education system. Logic, with Chinese characteristics. I agree, it is like pulling teeth.

Are we up to 4 now?
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Reply #586 - May 30th, 2024 at 5:19pm
 
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 2:11pm:
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So you don't want rooftop PVs, you don't want a connection to the fossil grid;  how am  I doin' so far...?


You are giving us an excellent demonstration of the outcome of the CCP's education system. Logic, with Chinese characteristics. I agree, it is like pulling teeth.

Are we up to 4 now?


Ah...so you have decided to stop pulling teeth, and have reverted  back to being a self-confessed fraud ..."FTW.."

You were doing 'well' there for a while, you got as far as rejecting PVs - but you had to bail out on the question of  supporting connections to the grid.

..because you realized your privatization ideology was about to come crashing down around you, as electricity prices are sky-rocketting in the privatized system (as the transition to a green economy proceeds apace), requiring socialist intervention in the form of government subsidies for electricity consumers.   
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Reply #587 - May 30th, 2024 at 5:50pm
 
Do you have a form you can fill out if you are not sure what the CCP wants you think on a subject?
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Reply #588 - May 30th, 2024 at 6:36pm
 
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 5:50pm:
Do you have a form you can fill out if you are not sure what the CCP wants you think on a subject?


No; unlike you - a delusional "individual freedom" /privatization ideologue -  I can think for myself and back my arguments.

The issue at hand is the thread's topic - and the necessity for the government's  'socialist' policy of subsidizing the price of privatized energy, during the transition to the green economy.

That's the issue you are refusing to deal with, because it will blow your privatization ideology out of the water.

Now, where were we.... oh yes:   you said this was "untrue":

"You want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof".


But you have baulked at going any further, preferring to blather about the CCP.

Deplorable.   

   
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Reply #589 - May 30th, 2024 at 7:01pm
 
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 1:07pm:
I told him he said something that was not true. I even quoted the bit that was not true for him. It is clearly not true. It does not magically become true after a long winded, off-topic rant from you.


It's not off topic because you say so.

The fact that privatised energy companies are charging for power exported into the grid from residential suppliers instead of paying them for their production proves that privatisation of these services is a sham.

Are you a sham?
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Reply #590 - May 30th, 2024 at 8:11pm
 
That has nothing to do with whether what he said is true.
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Reply #591 - May 30th, 2024 at 8:44pm
 
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:11pm:
That has nothing to do with whether what he said is true.

Why wouldn't you answer a a simple and clear questions?
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Reply #592 - May 31st, 2024 at 7:39am
 
Daves2017 wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:44pm:
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:11pm:
That has nothing to do with whether what he said is true.

Why wouldn't you answer a a simple and clear questions?


You have to ask them first.
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Reply #593 - May 31st, 2024 at 10:40am
 
Developing a successful business case for privatization is difficult.

Not impossible. The business reality ( there must be a profit) ensures that the government must pay a premium for a less quality service then could have been achieved without the outsourcing.

The moment a politician ( often labor) states " it will be cheaper if we privatise it" you are going to be paying more.
Looking at our privatised third party insurance I have noted absolutely no competition in quotes.
Rather than having the bargaining power of every vehicle in NSW to drive down costs it's now simply a choice of providers with no product or cost difference.

Being given a " choice" didn't create a competitive market nor a better deal.
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Reply #594 - May 31st, 2024 at 11:25am
 
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:11pm:
That has nothing to do with whether what he said is true.


But it has everything to do with the thread's topic, as observed by Gnads:

"The fact that privatised energy companies are charging for power exported into the grid from residential suppliers instead of paying them for their production proves that privatisation of these services is a sham.

Are you a sham?"      
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Reply #595 - May 31st, 2024 at 11:29am
 
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The fact that privatised energy companies are charging for power exported into the grid from residential suppliers instead of paying them for their production proves that privatisation of these services is a sham.


No it doesn't. It merely proves that government controlling an industry leads to undesirable outcomes. This problem is not caused by free market forces, but by government subsidies for rooftop solar. Retrofitting small scale PV to existing residences would never have been commercially viable without those subsidies. And I still get people knocking on my door or on my facebook feed trying to give me "free" rooftop solar.

It is a vote buying scam, nothing more.
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Reply #596 - May 31st, 2024 at 11:32am
 
freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 7:39am:
Daves2017 wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:44pm:
freediver wrote on May 30th, 2024 at 8:11pm:
That has nothing to do with whether what he said is true.

Why wouldn't you answer a a simple and clear questions?


You have to ask them first.


Do you  want to be paid for the excess electrons produced on your roof?

If yes, why....and if no, why not?
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Reply #597 - May 31st, 2024 at 11:54am
 
freediver wrote on May 31st, 2024 at 11:29am:
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The fact that privatised energy companies are charging for power exported into the grid from residential suppliers instead of paying them for their production proves that privatisation of these services is a sham.


No it doesn't.


Wrong of course; companies who demand payment for the same product they themselves are demanding payment for,  are thieves ie criminal organisations. Ouch. 

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It merely proves that government controlling an industry leads to undesirable outcomes.


Back to front (and upside down) thinking as always, as to be expected from a  delusional 'individual freedom' ideologue. The problem is the governement DOESN'T control the industry.

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This problem is not caused by free market forces, but by government subsidies for rooftop solar.


Ah (it's like pulling teeth) so now we have it: only rich people who can afford rooftop PVs (and batteries) ought to be able to access free rooftop electricity. 

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Retrofitting small scale PV to existing residences would never have been commercially viable without those subsidies.


But rich people (who, unlike you,  were concerned with the AGW implications of fossil fuel energy)  jumped at the technology when it became available.

Meanwhile, the 'socialist'  government  who also believes in the AGW implications of fossil fuels, understands the need for an 'all in' approach, rendering your magical "free market forces" inoperative, null and void.   

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And I still get people knocking on my door or on my facebook feed trying to give me "free" rooftop solar.

It is a vote buying scam, nothing more.


No, you want to continue on the fossil fuel route, despite the fact the entire world has moved on (apart from  Trump who is in trouble....).

And even so, prices were skyrocketting in the privatized fossil industry.   
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Reply #598 - May 31st, 2024 at 11:57am
 
It has nothing to do with whether they are rich. You don't usually get rich by wasting your money. This has nothing to do with your moronic class warfare nonsense. It simply doesn't make sense.
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Reply #599 - May 31st, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
I find it interesting that labor governments both state and federal are targeting power bills to relieve cost of living.
Primary because they allowed and supported the privatisation and by now giving money is admitting the privatisation is a failure that has simply led to higher prices

The other interesting part is essentially, the private companies are now receiving public funds to support a private companies that are providing a service that was previously public?

No one is getting $300 in the hand or as in Qld $1000.

It's going straight to a private company!

I believe it's not as much about the average person cost of living but more to do with defaults on payment and keeping the lights on.

They privatise it to save the public money now they are using public money to save what they privatise!
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