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Reply #630 - Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:14am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 3:29pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 10:14am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 19^th, 2025 at 5:09pm:

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Steelworks forced into administration to 'save' future

The Whyalla Steelworks has been placed into administration after the South Australian government rushed legislation through parliament and pledged "one of the most comprehensive industry support packages that this nation has ever seen".

The move gives the government authority to act on debts owed by GFG Alliance and secure the future of the mid-north operations.
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Mr Malinauskas said the steelworks had been placed in the hands of an administrator to stabilise operations and explore a possible sale.

"It is unacceptable for such an important critical piece of economic infrastructure for the nation to be in a situation where its ongoing operations are so severely compromised," he said.

In Whyalla on Thursday, he would announce "one of the most comprehensive industry support packages that this nation has ever seen".

"Our mind turns to providing support for the industry and for the people that work within it, to be able to secure sovereign steel making in this country, not a bailout for GFG," the premier said.

The state has appointed KordaMentha as an administrator of OneSteel Manufacturing Pty Ltd under section 436C of the Corporations Act 2001.

OneSteel is part of the GFG corporate group and is the legal entity that owns and operates the Whyalla steelworks and associated mines.

KordaMentha has advised the government it intends to appoint an experienced special adviser to assist the administration and is engaging with parties including BlueScope.

The administrator is fully funded "and that will mean that bills get paid", Mr Malinauskas said.

The move comes after months of uncertainty at the steelworks and reassurances from its chairman, UK billionaire Sanjeev Gupta.

Last Friday, Mr Gupta said a debt settlement deal had been reached with creditors of global financier Greensill Capital, which had advanced billions of dollars in credit to GFG before it collapsed in 2021.

This week, he said the steelworks was turning over $13-$14 million a week and hoped to be breaking even by mid-year.

The company announced in January the plant had cast its first steel following a four-month shutdown that halted production and cost the company millions of dollars.

Minister for Energy and Mining Tom Koutsantonis said that since 2017-18, GFG had iron ore sales values totalling $7.825 billion from its SA operations and steel sales of $4.8 billion since 2019-20.

"In the same period, we have seen nearly $800 million sent offshore … this is not a Whyalla problem - it is a GFG problem," he said.

Opposition Leader Vincent Tarzia said the government was in chaos and Mr Malinauskas was scrambling because he had allowed the situation to spiral.

"Peter Malinauskas has just fired a cannonball through the heart of the South Australian economy and left a mess for future generations to clean up," he said.

A report from the McKell Institute's SA branch released on Wednesday said Australia would become "dangerously dependent" on Chinese steel imports if the steelworks were to fail.

"That would leave us completely exposed to coercion from strategic adversaries," chief executive Ed Cavanough said.

"The Whyalla Steelworks (are) the only manufacturer of 'long steel' products which are core inputs into Australia's transport, construction and manufacturing industries."

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Another example of private enterprise failing to successfully operate an essential business.

The usual suspects are already squawking: "the government shouldn't get invloved, let the market sort it out"...but even Trump knows markets don't always work and government intervention is necessary (hence his much-reviled tariffs....).

Tarzia of course is merely squawking hot air; he says the government should have intervened long ago "to prevent the situation from spiralling out of control" forgetting such a move is against Liberal free-market ideology.

Rex Patrick is right: the fedeal government should own and invest 3-4 billion in this vital industry, a key part of Oz plans to be a green steel exporter, using the excellent hematite ore near Whyalla with its developed infrastrucure (ports, transport links etc) and renewable energy resources (sun/wind).

If the renewable energy system was so good/reliable why doesn't Peter Malinauskas go to the SA/Victorian border an switch off the interconnector to the Victorian grid?

Er...a renewable energy grid depends on 'collecting' sun and wind from the largest possible area (including the nations' rooftops tops) requiring an [b]inteconnected" grid to allow for changing local weather conditions.

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That's right - he's not game because in reality Victorian brown coal is still powering Sth Australias economy & industry like the Whyalla Steel works.

Sometimes SA has excess power it can deliver to the East, even before the necessary big batteries are commissioned in SA and across the nation.

Durrrrh

SA very rarely has any excess that goes to the east.

BIG BATTERIES - will only ever be short term(a couple of hours if that) supplemental and frequency stabilizers.

You have to cover the whole state with panels & turbines just to power Adelaide. Roll Eyes

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Reply #631 - Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

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That doesn't overcome the problem of the sun not shining, or the wind not blowing where you have them. Roll Eyes

Low IQ comment: that's why the country-wide interconnected grid is necessary.

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And if there is no new company after the spend?

Low IQ question: a latest tech steel-producer will exist, regardless of who owns it, being vital national infrastructure.

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Until such time as it turns to shite. But they will be happy until then. Roll Eyes

Er - Oz scientists and engineers know how to create the best quality steel, regardless of market failure due to 'economies of scale' which are irrelevant in the case of vital national industries.

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Just another Politician scrambling to get elected. Roll Eyes

Such are the stupidities of 50% +1 democratic politics.

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Cars, televisions, steel. So what you want is a massive tariff overhaul to make imported goods more expensive than locally produced goods. Roll Eyes

Low IQ distortion of what I said, namely, supporting value-adding in Oz, the world's largest exporter of iron ore and coking coal. Paris is summoning....

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But lovely China will provide. /sarc Cool

Low IQ lee can't even see when he contradicts himself; indeed China can produce all the steel the world needs, at the lowest price; and if 'free-market' lee had his way, other steel manufacturers around the world would certainly disapppear.

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Nothing that comes from the Green Wet Dream, that only makes goods more expensive. Just why are subsidies so high for renewables? Roll Eyes

The Paris Agreement needs to be implemented, despite lee's disinformation campaign.

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Remember that thing about South Australia having 7 day solar and wind droughts? How big a battery would you need to for a new steel plant as well as the ongoing electrification of SA.

Low IQ; hence the state interconnectors - dummy.

And yes, we should be begin a nuclear industry in Oz, to reduce reliance on big batteries, while rolling out renewables/exiting coal ASAP, a much better use of Oz resources than building useless nuclear subs, if it comes down to allocation of available resources and a skilled workforce.

Meanwhile, even Dutton knows he can pay for nuclear - governments can deficit spend.

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Reply #632 - Feb 21^st, 2025 at 12:54pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

that's why the country-wide interconnected grid is necessary.

Oh now it needs to be country wide. You do know the distances involved? North to South, East to West - all those interconnectors, transmission lines for Weather Dependant Renewables. And of course then comes the cost of maintenance, large country, large expense to service. You really have no clue apart from "it sounds good, let's do it". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

a latest tech steel-producer will exist, regardless of who owns it, being vital national infrastructure.

No, That is an assumption. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

Er - Oz scientists and engineers know how to create the best quality steel, regardless of market failure due to 'economies of scale' which are irrelevant in the case of vital national industries.

So it is irrelevant what it costs because some poor bastard, with limited understaning, like you, will buy it. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

Such are the stupidities of 50% +1 democratic politics.

And that's why you LURVE the Chinese, democracy be damned. Cool

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

supporting value-adding in Oz, the world's largest exporter of iron ore and coking coal.

So what would the tariffs have to be to support this industry. It can't clearly be none, as the product with a small maunfacturing base will not be cost effective.

You still don't get it NO fossil fuels means NO coking coal. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

lee can't even see when he contradicts himself;

No contradiction, that is where you future master want it.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

indeed China can produce all the steel the world needs, at the lowest price; and if 'free-market' lee had his way, other steel manufacturers around the world would certainly disapppear.

No because other countries have large bases, and then the costs of shipping are less for them. Have you worked out cost of shipping for Australian steel products? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

The Paris Agreement needs to be implemented, despite lee's disinformation campaign.

The Paris Agreement is a non-binding agreement. It doesn't carry any penalties. You have let your deluded thoughts overcome any rationality. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

hence the state interconnectors

Yes South Australia has them and relies on them to exist. They get energy from brown coal, gas as well as the Weather Dependant Renewables.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

Meanwhile, even Dutton knows he can pay for nuclear - governments can deficit spend.

Yes your MMT crap. Kumbaya. Grin

BTW - What is the cost of nuclear compared to the final cost of East Coast Weather Dependant Renewables again? Another $642 BILLION. Cheap if you say it fast. Wink

BTW- That cost from Frontier Economics was based on the AEMO Step Change scenario.

Here is the amount of country included in that plan.

https://aemo.com.au/newsroom/media-release/aemo-releases-30-year-electricity-mar...

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Reply #633 - Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:25pm

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:34pm:

BTW - Did you see Climate Change (AGW) seems to be slowing wind speeds in Europe. Should it not apply in Australia also?

"Global warming is driving down wind speeds during European summers, putting additional stress on the region’s energy systems as soaring temperatures boost cooling demand, new research shows.

That phenomenon — known as “stilling” — is driven by amplified warming of both the land and the troposphere, the layer of atmosphere closest to the earth’s surface, said lead researcher Gan Zhang, a climate scientist and professor at the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign.

The decline in wind speeds, which is also occurring in other northern mid-latitude regions such as North America, is projected to be less than 5% over the period from 2021 to 2050. But even small drops translate into major swings in wind power generation, according to Zhang."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-02-17/global-warming-could-be-makin...

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https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/adb1f8

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Should it not apply in Australia also?

Australia's dynamics are a lot different. We are surrounded by water. The temp difference and pressure between land and water is much more dynamic and reliable. It may apply to wind farms in the centre of Australia. If there are any.

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Reply #634 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 2:33pm

lee wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 12:54pm:

Oh now it needs to be country wide.

Including micro grids with battery backup which may not need to be connected to the national grid.

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.... large expense to service. You really have no clue apart from "it sounds good, let's do it". Roll Eyes

Oz has the necessary resources and skills, "expense" is immaterial to a currency-issuing government re funding essential projects.

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TGD: a latest tech steel-producer will exist, regardless of who owns it.

No, That is an assumption. Roll Eyes

...according to a blind 'market' ideologue.

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So it is irrelevant what it costs because some poor bastard, with limited understaning, like you, will buy it. Roll Eyes

Says the blind market ideologue who insists cost effectiveness and "market efficiencies" existing in large-scale production rule out small scale producers like Oz.

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And that's why you LURVE the Chinese, democracy be damned. Cool

YOU condemned Dutton as another useless politician, dummy.

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So what would the tariffs have to be to support this industry. It can't clearly be none, as the product with a small maunfacturing base will not be cost effective.

See above, blind market dummy.

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You still don't get it NO fossil fuels means NO coking coal. Roll Eyes

Nonsense, do try to keep up.

https://www.dierk-raabe.com/green-steel-making-with-ammonia/#:~:text=To%20produc...

Green steel from ammonia-based direct reduction
In essence we have proven that ammonia-based direct reduction (ADR; via the hydrogen bound in it and releaed from it) is kinetically as effective for producing green iron as HyDR at 700 °C. The direct utilization of ammonia in the reduction process offers a process shortcut, alleviating the need for a preliminary ammonia cracking step into hydrogen and nitrogen. During the redox reaction, the gradually generated porous iron further catalyses the decomposition of ammonia at elevated temperatures, to release hydrogen for the reduction of iron oxides. This autocatalytic reaction provides a path to further efficiency gains and cost reductions. The in-situ nitriding from the process offers protection of the pure iron against environmental degradation that otherwise requires dedicated additional process steps that are energetically and logistically costly. Such a protective nitride phase can be completely dissolved and removed after a subsequent melting process. Thus, ADR provides a novel approach to deploying intermittent renewable energy for an unprecedented and disruptive technology transition toward sustainable metallurgical processes. With these benefits, it connects two of the currently most greenhouse gas intense industries (namely, steel and ammonia production industries) and opens a pathway to render them more environmentally benign and sustainable. At the same time, it can eliminate logistic and energetic disadvantages associated with the use of pure hydrogen, when it needs to be transported.

And yes, the methods for producing green ammonia also exist.

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No because other countries have large bases, and then the costs of shipping are less for them. Have you worked out cost of shipping for Australian steel products? Roll Eyes

Have you worked out why Trump thinks he has to slap tariffs on the entire globe, to save US steel manufacting?

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The Paris Agreement is a non-binding agreement. It doesn't carry any penalties. You have let your deluded thoughts overcome any rationality. Roll Eyes

"Non-binding" to delusional AGW climate deniers like you.

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Yes your MMT crap. Kumbaya. Grin

Wrong again, dummy: even Menzies funded the Snowy River Scheme with deficit spending.

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BTW - What is the cost of nuclear compared to the final cost of East Coast Weather Dependant Renewables again? Another $642 BILLION. Cheap if you say it fast. Wink

Stop worrying about "tax-payer money", dummy; a currency-issuing government can issue government money - or deficit spend (which is not the same thing), to fund essential nation-building infrastructure.

Though Ken Henry in his latest article (see the latest article in the MMT thread) condemns politicians' failure to fund the budget 'properly' (!) through tax reform, making both parties responsible for "robbing young taxpayers"...

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BTW- That cost from Frontier Economics was based on the AEMO Step Change scenario.

If AGW-CO2 climate change is real, then the necessary ("opportunity") costs are irrelevant (for a currency-issuer).

The dummies at Frontier Economics are free market ideologues like you who can't undestand, or even conceive that "taxpayer money" is different to government-issued money.

Yet unlike you, they at least recognise the need for climate action, funded via - you guesed it - carbon taxes hated by politicians, and most injurious to the poor.

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Reply #635 - Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 2:45pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:25pm:

It may apply to wind farms in the centre of Australia. If there are any.

That research by the Snowy2 Commission said that SA already had periods of solar and wind drought.

"An example of when high amounts of storage would be needed include when there are wind or solar ‘droughts’. In South Australia across the financial years of 2015 and 2016, there was a deficit between average wind production and minimum wind production over a two-week period of 60GWh."

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/snowy-20/faqs/

So why does Australia suffer wind and solar droughts?

"We therefore systematically analyse the relationship between compound solar radiation and wind speed droughts with weather systems and climate modes of variability over multiple time scales. We find that compound solar and wind droughts occur most frequently in winter, affecting at least five significant energy-producing regions simultaneously on 10% of days. The associated weather systems vary by season and by drought type, although widespread cloud cover and anticyclonic circulation patterns are common features.

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Exploiting these spatial differences could minimise the variability of electricity generation across the grid by offsetting areas of low production with areas of higher production20,21,22,23,24,25. However, the possibility of weather-related grid-wide impacts cannot be ruled out. A combination of weather systems could align to concurrently reduce wind and solar energy potential over a large area. For example, there is a dynamical link between blocking highs that bring calm conditions over southeast Australia and cloudiness associated with tropical cyclones in Australia’s north26. Specific to renewable energy, a weather system featuring high pressure near Australia’s southwest has been related to low grid-wide supply, although not every occurrence of this weather pattern yields substantial reductions23."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-023-00507-y

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Reply #638 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:03pm

lee wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 2:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:25pm:

It may apply to wind farms in the centre of Australia. If there are any.

That research by the Snowy2 Commission said that SA already had periods of solar and wind drought.

"An example of when high amounts of storage would be needed include when there are wind or solar ‘droughts’. In South Australia across the financial years of 2015 and 2016, there was a deficit between average wind production and minimum wind production over a two-week period of 60GWh."

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/snowy-20/faqs/

So why does Australia suffer wind and solar droughts?

"We therefore systematically analyse the relationship between compound solar radiation and wind speed droughts with weather systems and climate modes of variability over multiple time scales. We find that compound solar and wind droughts occur most frequently in winter, affecting at least five significant energy-producing regions simultaneously on 10% of days. The associated weather systems vary by season and by drought type, although widespread cloud cover and anticyclonic circulation patterns are common features.

...

Exploiting these spatial differences could minimise the variability of electricity generation across the grid by offsetting areas of low production with areas of higher production20,21,22,23,24,25. However, the possibility of weather-related grid-wide impacts cannot be ruled out. A combination of weather systems could align to concurrently reduce wind and solar energy potential over a large area. For example, there is a dynamical link between blocking highs that bring calm conditions over southeast Australia and cloudiness associated with tropical cyclones in Australia’s north26. Specific to renewable energy, a weather system featuring high pressure near Australia’s southwest has been related to low grid-wide supply, although not every occurrence of this weather pattern yields substantial reductions23."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-023-00507-y

Yet we had these droughts without any customer impact because the effects were mitigated, the Snowy 2 scheme alleviates the issue for the next 100 years. So what are you jabbering about ? There is no problem here.

SA can provide cheap wind and solar energy when available and they have backup power supply guaranteed for 100 Years covering when they cannot.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59447 Here Gender:	Re: privatisation Reply #639 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:05pm lee wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 12:54pm: Yes it is. And relies on the interconnectors for their power when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow. Yes so they normally provide solar and wind power when it is available and have a backup supply available for when it isn't. I cannot see a problem here ?
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Reply #640 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 10:34am:

lee wrote on Feb 20^th, 2025 at 5:21pm:

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That doesn't overcome the problem of the sun not shining, or the wind not blowing where you have them. Roll Eyes

Low IQ comment: that's why the country-wide interconnected grid is necessary.

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And if there is no new company after the spend?

Low IQ question: a latest tech steel-producer will exist, regardless of who owns it, being vital national infrastructure.

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Until such time as it turns to shite. But they will be happy until then. Roll Eyes

Er - Oz scientists and engineers know how to create the best quality steel, regardless of market failure due to 'economies of scale' which are irrelevant in the case of vital national industries.

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Just another Politician scrambling to get elected. Roll Eyes

Such are the stupidities of 50% +1 democratic politics.

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Cars, televisions, steel. So what you want is a massive tariff overhaul to make imported goods more expensive than locally produced goods. Roll Eyes

Low IQ distortion of what I said, namely, supporting value-adding in Oz, the world's largest exporter of iron ore and coking coal. Paris is summoning....

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But lovely China will provide. /sarc Cool

Low IQ lee can't even see when he contradicts himself; indeed China can produce all the steel the world needs, at the lowest price; and if 'free-market' lee had his way, other steel manufacturers around the world would certainly disapppear.

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Nothing that comes from the Green Wet Dream, that only makes goods more expensive. Just why are subsidies so high for renewables? Roll Eyes

The Paris Agreement needs to be implemented, despite lee's disinformation campaign.

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Remember that thing about South Australia having 7 day solar and wind droughts? How big a battery would you need to for a new steel plant as well as the ongoing electrification of SA.

Low IQ; hence the state interconnectors - dummy.

And yes, we should be begin a nuclear industry in Oz, to reduce reliance on big batteries, while rolling out renewables/exiting coal ASAP, a much better use of Oz resources than building useless nuclear subs, if it comes down to allocation of available resources and a skilled workforce.

Meanwhile, even Dutton knows he can pay for nuclear - governments can deficit spend.

The interconnectors are so the states that are still generating reliable coal fired power can prop up those that have gone down the renewables path(Sth Aust) lock, stock & barrel to pull them out of the shyte.

SA has one distribution network – SA Power Networks. The average electricity rate for this network is 45.3c/kWh, making it the most expensive state for electricity in Australia.

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Reply #642 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:25pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:03pm:

lee wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2025 at 2:45pm:

Dnarever wrote on Feb 21^st, 2025 at 9:25pm:

It may apply to wind farms in the centre of Australia. If there are any.

That research by the Snowy2 Commission said that SA already had periods of solar and wind drought.

"An example of when high amounts of storage would be needed include when there are wind or solar ‘droughts’. In South Australia across the financial years of 2015 and 2016, there was a deficit between average wind production and minimum wind production over a two-week period of 60GWh."

https://www.snowyhydro.com.au/snowy-20/faqs/

So why does Australia suffer wind and solar droughts?

"We therefore systematically analyse the relationship between compound solar radiation and wind speed droughts with weather systems and climate modes of variability over multiple time scales. We find that compound solar and wind droughts occur most frequently in winter, affecting at least five significant energy-producing regions simultaneously on 10% of days. The associated weather systems vary by season and by drought type, although widespread cloud cover and anticyclonic circulation patterns are common features.

...

Exploiting these spatial differences could minimise the variability of electricity generation across the grid by offsetting areas of low production with areas of higher production20,21,22,23,24,25. However, the possibility of weather-related grid-wide impacts cannot be ruled out. A combination of weather systems could align to concurrently reduce wind and solar energy potential over a large area. For example, there is a dynamical link between blocking highs that bring calm conditions over southeast Australia and cloudiness associated with tropical cyclones in Australia’s north26. Specific to renewable energy, a weather system featuring high pressure near Australia’s southwest has been related to low grid-wide supply, although not every occurrence of this weather pattern yields substantial reductions23."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-023-00507-y

Yet we had these droughts without any customer impact because the effects were mitigated, the Snowy 2 scheme alleviates the issue for the next 100 years. So what are you jabbering about ? There is no problem here.

SA can provide cheap wind and solar energy when available and they have backup power supply guaranteed for 100 Years covering when they cannot.

Quack quack - pumped hydro is not cheap power.

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Reply #643 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:27pm

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:24pm:

lee wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 12:54pm:

Yes it is. And relies on the interconnectors for their power when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow.

Oh, the horror.

Do you actually have a point with that statement? Roll Eyes

Because what the interconnector to SA shows is that it can not operate on it's renewables alone.

It still requires coal or gas fired generation to operate.

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Reply #644 - Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:58pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:27pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 1:24pm:

lee wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2025 at 12:54pm:

Yes it is. And relies on the interconnectors for their power when the sun don't shine and the wind don't blow.

Oh, the horror.

Do you actually have a point with that statement? Roll Eyes

Because what the interconnector to SA shows is that it can not operate on it's renewables alone.

It still requires coal or gas fired generation to operate.

One of Lee's links shows the plan to use the Snowy scheme to supplement with hydro with a 100 year guarantee? Wind sun and water.

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