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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.
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Reply #16 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:25pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.


You must live in a decrepit houso flat and have never seen commercial grade stacker doors.
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Reply #17 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:31pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.


??? they slide on rollers and feel weightless when installed properly. No you do not lift them up and carry them to the open position?
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Reply #18 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:40pm
 
A gas stove is particularly useful when the electricity goes out.

Hot water tea coffee - food.

My parents home had an old 1920's gas light in the kitchen.

Also had a full fireplace with old style chimney. You only had a problem if you forgot to open the Flue damper. We burned coal till after the 60's. There was always lots of ventilation before we started the fire as the risks were well known. The chimney had to be regularly cleaned.

I have always preferred to cook on gas. The current electric oven burns everything. It's the most useless piece of carp I have ever had.
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Reply #19 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:46pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.


??? they slide on rollers and feel weightless when installed properly. No you do not lift them up and carry them to the open position?


Sliding and rolling are not the same actions. Sliding requires much more force than roll8ing.

A 60+ kg door cannot feel weightless.

Evidently, Dnarever has never owned a sliding glass door.

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How much force should it take to open a sliding glass door?
These standards require that, depending on door type, the doors must be able to open at a maximum force of 30 to 40 pounds, and must be able to keep moving at a maximum force of 20 to 25 pounds. These forces may not sound like much, but in reality they are quite substantial. 
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Reply #20 - Apr 14th, 2022 at 11:59pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:44pm:
AiA wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:41pm:
Japanese use stand-alone gas heaters (cabinet heaters - banned in AUS) in their homes, particularly older buildings, and the fumes are horrendous. Older buildings are so drafty it doesn't matter as much but I have seen them in new buildings too.


Whenever I go into crappy units in non white parts of town, whenever there's a place with no gas, they usually have a illegal bottle and burner.




Laugh's tribe cooks an entire meal on a bottle and burner.
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Reply #21 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 12:00am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.


??? they slide on rollers and feel weightless when installed properly. No you do not lift them up and carry them to the open position?


Sliding and rolling are not the same actions. Sliding requires much more force than roll8ing.

A 60+ kg door cannot feel weightless.

Evidently, Dnarever has never owned a sliding glass door.

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How much force should it take to open a sliding glass door?
These standards require that, depending on door type, the doors must be able to open at a maximum force of 30 to 40 pounds, and must be able to keep moving at a maximum force of 20 to 25 pounds. These forces may not sound like much, but in reality they are quite substantial. 


Funny how easily my 2.5 year old granddaughter at about 25 pounds could open that 40 pound weight.
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Reply #22 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 12:10am
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 12:00am:
Funny how easily my 2.5 year old granddaughter at about 25 pounds could open that 40 pound weight.


You have 1.5 m wide glass doors which allow Banana-fingers Haji Gordon's arse to pass through the opening?

Funny? The child must be amused by your confusion between weight and force.
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Reply #23 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 3:47am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Electric induction cooking seems the safest way to cook.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/gas-stoves-air-pollution-1.6394514

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After seeing how gas stoves pollute homes, these researchers are ditching theirs

Burning natural gas generates high levels of nitrogen oxides, linked to asthma in children
Emily Chung · CBC News · Posted: Apr 07, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: April 8

There's been a movement among some scientists and celebrity chefs to switch from natural gas stoves to electric ones, given that the latter releases fewer indoor pollutants. (Tim Boyle/Getty Images)

Gas stoves produce more indoor air pollutants than even some scientists expect. After taking measurements, many of these researchers are switching to electric stoves — and warning the public about the health risks of cooking with gas.

When Tara Kahan took pollution readings inside homes after cooking with a gas stove in 2017 and 2018, the University of Saskatchewan chemist and her colleagues were surprised by both how high the levels of nitrogen oxides were and how long they lasted.

Exposure to nitrogen oxides, produced when gas is burned, is linked to respiratory problems such as asthma and decreased lung function, especially in children. For example, a 2013 meta-analysis of 41 studies found that children living in a home that used gas for cooking had a 42 per cent increased risk of having asthma.

Kahan's measurements found that not only did levels of nitrogen oxide pollutants sometimes exceed Health Canada guidelines for a one-hour exposure, but the pollutants often lingered for a couple of hours.

"It really took a long time to go away," said Kahan, associate professor and Canada Research Chair in Environmental Analytical Chemistry. "All of the researchers were pretty horrified."

Kahan immediately applied the new knowledge to her own life.

"After that, as soon as it was feasible, I switched from a gas stove to [electric] induction," she said.

She's not the only one.

Rob Jackson, professor of environmental sciences at Stanford University, co-authored a recent study that found gas stoves leak unexpectedly high levels of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, even when they're off — and they generate significant levels of indoor air pollution.

What he found pushed him to work on electrifying his home too.

His gas stove has an electric oven, but it doesn't seem possible to swap out just the burners.

"I am reluctant to throw away a perfectly good electric oven," he said. "But we're going to do that."

The combined health and climate impacts of stoves are also starting to catch the attention of celebrity chefs, such as John Horne, Angus An and John Kung, who have become evangelists for electric induction stoves in a field where gas stoves were once considered an essential tool for anyone serious about cooking.

Gas stoves generate dangerous levels of indoor air pollution and leak climate-changing methane. Now, some chefs are endorsing this alternative. 3:08

Health impacts of gas stoves
Dr. Melissa Lem is a Vancouver family physician and president-elect of the Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment. The group ran an ad campaign last year highlighting the negative health impacts of natural gas, including those linked to:

Pollution from natural gas extraction, such as birth defects and cancer.

Climate change caused by leaking methane, the main component in natural gas and a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.

Indoor air pollution from cooking with natural gas.

Lem noted that in 2015, Health Canada issued new residential air quality guidelines for nitrogen dioxide — one of several pollutants created when cooking with a gas stove — due to its negative health impacts.

"Most gas ranges in Canada do not even come close to meeting these air quality standards," she said. "And research shows that this can harm your health, like worsening asthma … in kids" or exacerbate chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in adults.

Lem added that nitrogen oxides aren't the only pollutants released when cooking on gas stoves — others include formaldehyde, nitric oxide and carbon monoxide, which can be deadly. 


thanks.
I've twice lived in homes where I've had gas and more times where is it electricity.

Overall I prefer electricity.
It's easier and probably cheaper to get just one bill, certainly with solar panels on the roof, electric is the go.
It's less hassle to use electric and I found overall not quicker to use gas.
With gas I prepare the veges, then turn the gas on.
With electricity I prepare 1/2 the veges, then turn the electric hob on, then do the other 1/2 of the veges.

Gas or electric, it just changes the time when I turn the heating on.
The time from walking into the kitchen to everything being cooked is pretty similar
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Reply #24 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:45am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:33pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:26pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 7:59pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 7:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
How can fumes build up in a kitchen if you have
an air extractor fan
on directly above your gas stove
which you use whenever you cook?


If you have one, not everyone does you idiot.

And open wood fire places also remove oxygen from a closed house & replace it with carbon monoxide.

Pull your head out of your jacksie.




How dare you show disrespect like that for me.
You bloody troll - you should be banned.


Guess what? .... I dare.

Take your own advice & ban yourself.




I've never been to any house or flat that doesn't have
an extractor fan above the stove.
Where have you been - in a caravan?   Roll Eyes


Caravans have extractor fans too idiot.

Extractor fans above stove tops are not always vented to the outside through the ceiling ..... many just recirculate the air through the filters to extract oil vapors ...

the air is then simply pushed back into the room/kitchen.

Like I said pull your head out of your backside.
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Reply #25 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:46am
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


That would be ducted into the ceiling & through the roof ... yes?
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Reply #26 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:55am
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:04pm:
Gnads wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 7:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 3:04pm:
How can fumes build up in a kitchen if you have
an air extractor fan
on directly above your gas stove
which you use whenever you cook?


If you have one, not everyone does you idiot.

And open wood fire places also remove oxygen from a closed house & replace it with carbon monoxide.

Pull your head out of your jacksie.

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gas fireplaces are one potential cause of carbon monoxide poisoning. While there are many potential sources of such exposure, including certain appliances and devices, motor vehicles and wood stoves, gas fireplaces are a common culprit.


https://www.gensecurity.com/blog/can-a-gas-fireplace-cause-carbon-monoxide-poiso...


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open wood fire places also remove oxygen from a closed house & replace it with carbon monoxide.


There should be a chimney with adequate ventilation.



Of course there is a chimney Roll Eyes

When fires are dampened down so they are not roaring through the wood they feed on & remove the oxygen in the room.

That's why the advice is to always leave a window open.

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Carbon monoxide (CO) is a killer that claims the lives of more 500 people in the United States every year. Known as the “Silent Killer” because it is odorless and invisible, CO is the number one cause of poisoning fatalities. Fireplaces and other fuel-burning appliances are the leading sources for exposure to carbon monoxide. With the proper awareness and preventative action, CO poisoning is entirely preventable.

Carbon monoxide is produced when fuels such as wood, gas, charcoal, kerosene, and oil are burned. A fire which burns efficiently and which has proper ventilation up through a sound chimney does not typically release dangerous quantities of carbon monoxide into a home. But, for instance, if a faulty fuel-burning appliance such as a natural gas burner operates in an enclosed space which lacks good ventilation, dangerous amounts of carbon monoxide can be released and cause poisoning. High levels of CO can kill a person within minutes.


https://www.mychimney.com/blog/about/avoid-co-poisoning/

Supposed to have correct ventilation - but appliances can become faulty & chimney vents blocked.
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Reply #27 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:00am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:33pm:
I've never been to any house or flat that doesn't have
an extractor fan above the stove.
Where have you been - in a caravan?   Roll Eyes


Caravans have extractor fans too idiot.

Extractor fans above stove tops are not always vented to the outside through the ceiling ..... many just recirculate the air through the filters to extract oil vapors ...

the air is then simply pushed back into the room/kitchen.

Like I said pull your head out of your backside.



They do not and
don't call me an idiot - you idiot.
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Reply #28 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:11am
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 12:00am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.


??? they slide on rollers and feel weightless when installed properly. No you do not lift them up and carry them to the open position?


Sliding and rolling are not the same actions. Sliding requires much more force than roll8ing.

A 60+ kg door cannot feel weightless.

Evidently, Dnarever has never owned a sliding glass door.

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How much force should it take to open a sliding glass door?
These standards require that, depending on door type, the doors must be able to open at a maximum force of 30 to 40 pounds, and must be able to keep moving at a maximum force of 20 to 25 pounds. These forces may not sound like much, but in reality they are quite substantial. 


Funny how easily my 2.5 year old granddaughter at about 25 pounds could open that 40 pound weight.


I have an oversized front sliding glass/aluminium door at 2.7mtrs..... 1.35mtr of that being fixed

the remaining sliding door is the heaviest, constant roller wrecking sliding door I have ever experienced.

House built 1979.

My wife is flat out opening it.... children/toddlers not a chance in hell .... even with new rollers.

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Reply #29 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:16am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:00am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:33pm:
I've never been to any house or flat that doesn't have
an extractor fan above the stove.
Where have you been - in a caravan?   Roll Eyes


Caravans have extractor fans too idiot.

Extractor fans above stove tops are not always vented to the outside through the ceiling ..... many just recirculate the air through the filters to extract oil vapors ...

the air is then simply pushed back into the room/kitchen.

Like I said pull your head out of your backside.



They do not and
don't call me an idiot - you idiot.


Yes they do ...... idiot.

https://www.mygenerator.com.au/caravan-rangehoods.html

https://www.caravanrvcamping.com.au/camec-rangehood-12v-2-speed

https://www.coastrv.com.au/products/major-appliances/rangehoods

I take it back you're not an idiot .........

you're a complete imbecile.
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