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Re: Gas stoves pollute homes, even with fan on
Reply #30 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:25am
 

Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:00am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:33pm:
I've never been to any house or flat that doesn't have
an extractor fan above the stove.
Where have you been - in a caravan?   Roll Eyes


Caravans have extractor fans too idiot.

Extractor fans above stove tops are not always vented to the outside through the ceiling ..... many just recirculate the air through the filters to extract oil vapors ...

the air is then simply pushed back into the room/kitchen.

Like I said pull your head out of your backside.



They do not and
don't call me an idiot - you idiot.


Yes they do ...... idiot.

https://www.mygenerator.com.au/caravan-rangehoods.html

https://www.caravanrvcamping.com.au/camec-rangehood-12v-2-speed

https://www.coastrv.com.au/products/major-appliances/rangehoods

I take it back you're not an idiot .........

you're a complete imbecile.



The first one I looked at is a roof ventilator:

https://www.mygenerator.com.au/dometic-gy11-rv-roof-ventilator-with-motor-two-sp...
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Re: Gas stoves pollute homes, even with fan on
Reply #31 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:18am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:25am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:16am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:00am:
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:45am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:33pm:
I've never been to any house or flat that doesn't have
an extractor fan above the stove.
Where have you been - in a caravan?   Roll Eyes


Caravans have extractor fans too idiot.

Extractor fans above stove tops are not always vented to the outside through the ceiling ..... many just recirculate the air through the filters to extract oil vapors ...

the air is then simply pushed back into the room/kitchen.

Like I said pull your head out of your backside.



They do not and
don't call me an idiot - you idiot.


Yes they do ...... idiot.

https://www.mygenerator.com.au/caravan-rangehoods.html

https://www.caravanrvcamping.com.au/camec-rangehood-12v-2-speed

https://www.coastrv.com.au/products/major-appliances/rangehoods

I take it back you're not an idiot .........

you're a complete imbecile.



The first one I looked at is a roof ventilator:

https://www.mygenerator.com.au/dometic-gy11-rv-roof-ventilator-with-motor-two-sp...


You dickhead the stove top extractor fan ventilates out through the roof top.

It doesn't ventilate the roof.... it extracts air from inside the van .... namely near the cooktop.
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Re: Gas stoves pollute homes, even with fan on
Reply #32 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:20am
 
You fool,

it doesn't recirculate the air.
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Re: Gas stoves pollute homes, even with fan on
Reply #33 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:38am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 7:11am:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 12:00am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:46pm:
Dnarever wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:31pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:20pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 10:01pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 9:55pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


The denizens of Chez Gordon face greater danger from the stupidity of Banana-fingers Haji Gordon.

I call bullsh1t on a 6 m sliding door which would be extremely heavy and require 12 m of space to accommodate it.


4x1500 panels. My 5 year old can open or close them.


That is not a 6m sliding door. They must be very flimsy if a 5-year-old can open them.

The glass alone would weigh at least 44 kg for 6 mm thick tempered glass so a likely total weight of 60 kg per door. If the glass is thicker it would be proportionally heavier.

Banana-fingers Haji Gordon lives in a fantasy world.


??? they slide on rollers and feel weightless when installed properly. No you do not lift them up and carry them to the open position?


Sliding and rolling are not the same actions. Sliding requires much more force than roll8ing.

A 60+ kg door cannot feel weightless.

Evidently, Dnarever has never owned a sliding glass door.

Quote:
How much force should it take to open a sliding glass door?
These standards require that, depending on door type, the doors must be able to open at a maximum force of 30 to 40 pounds, and must be able to keep moving at a maximum force of 20 to 25 pounds. These forces may not sound like much, but in reality they are quite substantial. 


Funny how easily my 2.5 year old granddaughter at about 25 pounds could open that 40 pound weight.


I have an oversized front sliding glass/aluminium door at 2.7mtrs..... 1.35mtr of that being fixed

the remaining sliding door is the heaviest, constant roller wrecking sliding door I have ever experienced.

House built 1979.

My wife is flat out opening it.... children/toddlers not a chance in hell .... even with new rollers.



Mine is about 5 years old and still as good as the day it was installed.  A year ago my kid tried to fly a metal jet fighter thru on panel so got the guy who made it out to replace the glass, while he was there he pulled out all the panels and checked the rollers.

I often go into brand new apartments that have sliding doors that are hard to move because they have very tight seals for noise insulation.


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Reply #34 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:40am
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 6:46am:
Gordon wrote on Apr 14th, 2022 at 8:36pm:
This plus my stove is right next to a 6m sliding door that stays open unless it's super windy.

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/miele-120cm-canopy-rangehood-da4228w


That would be ducted into the ceiling & through the roof ... yes?


Nah, we punched thru the wall so it goes directly outside
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Reply #35 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:49am
 
Fact checking:

The title of this thread is false -

"Gas stoves pollute homes, even with fan on"  - FALSE.

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Reply #36 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:54am
 
Some old units just have a rage that just recirulates the air. I wouldn't want gas in those.
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Reply #37 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:04am
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:54am:
Some old units just have a rage that just recirulates the air. I wouldn't want gas in those.



Unless the fumes are extracted anyone inside a room
would be gassed to death.
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Reply #38 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:18am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:04am:
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:54am:
Some old units just have a rage that just recirulates the air. I wouldn't want gas in those.



Unless the fumes are extracted anyone inside a room
would be gassed to death.


No, recirculating range hoods filter smoke and smells but wouldn't remove carbon monoxide.

People don’t die because the amount of CO even with all burners going isn't concentrated enough.  If you had a huge stove one a 2/m kitchen with all the doors and windows closed you'd die.

Laughs assertion is partially true because some houses are poorly designed.  I'd suggest in Australia less so where the weather is better and windows and doors open.

In my situation, a top line range hood next to a huge sliding door.

Small kitchen should have a CO detector.
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Reply #39 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:20am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 8:49am:
Fact checking:

The title of this thread is false -

"Gas stoves pollute homes, even with fan on"  - FALSE.



Heads, you lose, Bobby. "fans can help, but they only cut pollutant levels in half".

Perhaps Bobby is addicted to Nitrous Oxide and gaseous Formaldehyde from his gas cooker and Bobby puts a hood over his own head to maximize pollutant infusion."

"Exposure to nitrogen oxides, produced when gas is burned, is linked to respiratory problems such as asthma and decreased lung function, especially in children. For example, a 2013 meta-analysis of 41 studies found that children living in a home that used gas for cooking had a 42 per cent increased risk of having asthma."

"Kahan's measurements found that not only did levels of nitrogen oxide pollutants sometimes exceed Health Canada guidelines for a one-hour exposure, but the pollutants often lingered for a couple of hours."

"Rob Jackson, professor of environmental sciences at Stanford University, co-authored a recent study that found gas stoves leak unexpectedly high levels of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas, even when they're off — and they generate significant levels of indoor air pollution."

"Lem added that nitrogen oxides aren't the only pollutants released when cooking on gas stoves — others include formaldehyde, nitric oxide and carbon monoxide, which can be deadly."

"Kahan said hood fans can help, but they only cut pollutant levels in half."

"Not only did Jackson's study find that gas stoves leak more methane than thought, but newer, more expensive stoves were no less leaky than older, cheaper ones. He suspects there's no other way to fix the problem."

Bobbies head versus scientific measurement. Heads, you lose Bobby.

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Reply #40 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:32am
 
Not all range hoods are equal. A low power unit that just recirulates air is not in the same ballpark as mine.
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Reply #41 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:37am
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:32am:
Not all range hoods are equal. A low power unit that just recirulates air is not in the same ballpark as mine.


Banana-fingers Haji Gordon's is always bigger than everybody else's.

A chickensh1t fantasy life always requires a 'big' defense.
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Reply #42 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:49am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:37am:
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:32am:
Not all range hoods are equal. A low power unit that just recirulates air is not in the same ballpark as mine.


Banana-fingers Haji Gordon's is always bigger than everybody else's.

A chickensh1t fantasy life always requires a 'big' defense.


There are range hoods way bigger and more expensive than mine. Are you a feeble man who is too weak to open a sliding door?

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/qasair-stadium-ceiling-mounted-rangehood-stm1300l2

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Reply #43 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 10:05am
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:49am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:37am:
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:32am:
Not all range hoods are equal. A low power unit that just recirulates air is not in the same ballpark as mine.


Banana-fingers Haji Gordon's is always bigger than everybody else's.

A chickensh1t fantasy life always requires a 'big' defense.


There are range hoods way bigger and more expensive than mine. Are you a feeble man who is too weak to open a sliding door?

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/qasair-stadium-ceiling-mounted-rangehood-stm1300l2



You are a dolt Gordon. Look how small the inlet is. This thing is noisy and ineffective and is not even the fantasy device in your own fantasy.

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Reply #44 - Apr 15th, 2022 at 12:23pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 10:05am:
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:49am:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:37am:
Gordon wrote on Apr 15th, 2022 at 9:32am:
Not all range hoods are equal. A low power unit that just recirulates air is not in the same ballpark as mine.


Banana-fingers Haji Gordon's is always bigger than everybody else's.

A chickensh1t fantasy life always requires a 'big' defense.


There are range hoods way bigger and more expensive than mine. Are you a feeble man who is too weak to open a sliding door?

https://www.winnings.com.au/p/qasair-stadium-ceiling-mounted-rangehood-stm1300l2



You are a dolt Gordon. Look how small the inlet is. This thing is noisy and ineffective and is not even the fantasy device in your own fantasy.



It's one of the best you can get. Rated at 1800 m3/hr and made in Australia. Wish I bought one of theirs.
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