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Apr 16th, 2022 at 9:01pm
 
Everything that comes out of Russian state media is a lie.

They said the missile cruiser was “damaged” and the crew had been “evacuated.”
This was modified to “ a fire cause ammunition to explode.”
Later modified to “sank while under tow, but was due to be scrapped anyway.”
All of this would indicated incompetence in the Russian navy, and a retaliation missile strike shows the story is false, and they know Ukraine sank the Moskva.
Three days later, video of a service mourning the loss of Moskva appears, with studied avoidance of the 500 evacuees who were supposed to have survived. Just mourning an old ship about to be scrapped.

Here is what probably happened.

The Russian navy did not take Ukraine capability seriously, keeping Moskva within range of shore missiles.

Two missiles travelling close to sea level strike Moskva in one side.
Explosion kills a number of crew and burn others alive.
Moskva loses power almost immediately.
Orders given to abandon ship.  It is not an orderly “evacuation.”
Attempts by consort to take Moskva in tow fail due to explosions.
Engine room raw water intakes rupture.
Ship begins to settle slowly until holes in the side reach water level the following day.
Moskva then fills rapidly on the strike side followed by capsize and sinking.

Putin passes a kidney stone the size of a golf ball.


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Reply #1 - Apr 17th, 2022 at 12:06am
 

Yes, how was it 'damaged' initially?

Well done Ukraine.
Attack russia.
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Reply #2 - Apr 17th, 2022 at 11:59am
 
The russian army is mostly incompetent, unmotivated conscripts. I don’t know what their navy is like but you would think only competent crew would be allowed on a missile cruiser.

PS: why do the press talk of battleships??? None in active service anymore!
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Reply #3 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 8:42am
 
Like I said, everything that comes from Rus State media is a lie. On the 14th they said there was a fire on Moskva and the crew got off. Here is a satellite image of an enormous explosion on the 13th. The story about being under tow is fiction. She blew up on impact, and Putin had the Admiral of the fleet arrested.


https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/satellite-image-pinpoints-russian-c...

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Reply #4 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 9:07am
 
I saw on a Youtube video that I didn't save -
that the Moskva had 3 layers of missile defence.
All 3 layers failed or some weren't working
or they weren't switched on.
There were also 2 Ukrainian drones close by the ship at the time.

Putin will have a lot of questions for those in charge to answer.
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Reply #5 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 9:12am
 
russian navy is as incompetent as its army:

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On a warship, crew training is the most critical concern. Continuous training should be offered because people operating in various stations of the ship during ASMD must respond quickly without waiting for commands. What happens during ASMD on NATO ships is known as ZIPPO responses, and it is commonly practiced.

The failure of the Moskva to respond to the missile demonstrates that not only do the personnel lack intelligence, but they are also not mentally and physically prepared for this occurrence. There are no records of the CHAFF or decoys being launched, of electronic jamming, of the ship maneuvering, and of the necessary reactions with weapons after the missile is launched, but the fact that such a capable ship is so helpless against an attack far below its capacity shows that the personnel are not well trained.

Another issue related to Russian sailors’ insufficient training is fire fighting and damage control. A 12,000-tonne cruiser is not normally expected to be sunk with only two missiles. Even if it is hit, the cruiser will most likely be rendered inoperable. Of course, where the Neptune missiles strike is also a factor. If it hit near the torpedo arsenal or missile launchers, the force of the blast may have been amplified. Such a vast and powerful ship, however, must be prepared for such scenarios. The crew was evacuated barely a few hours after the accident, and the ship sank the next day. In this situation, the ship’s personnel were insufficient to fight the fire and save the ship. Furthermore, at the time of the explosion, the cruiser Moskva was not far from the base in Sevastopol, allowing for outside aid.


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Reply #6 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:25am
 
Yes Monk,
that agrees with what I learned.
Putin will have a lot of questions for those in charge to answer.
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Reply #7 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:34am
 
putin should ask himself some questions first! But autocrats/dictators do not do self-reflection well.
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Reply #8 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:43am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:34am:
putin should ask himself some questions first! But autocrats/dictators do not do self-reflection well.



I wouldn't like to be answering his questions.   Shocked
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Reply #9 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 10:55am
 
putin will just sling one or two officers in jail, not find out why his military is so ineffective, good only at shelling apartment buildings and schools when the Ukrainians cannot fire back.
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Reply #10 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 12:29pm
 
I play Red Alert 3 from time to time. One of the things you do with your cruise missile ships is to have other maritime ships nearby in case the enemy gets too close for the cruise ship to defend itself. What is going on with the Russian military? Hopefully, they are having second thoughts about their invasion and will come to end their campaign in Ukraine.
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Reply #11 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 12:42pm
 
putin can’t back down.
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Reply #12 - Apr 18th, 2022 at 12:58pm
 
It is obvious to the entire world that Russia has only one thing going for it: armament manufacture. And that has been slowed to a crawl. In a field campaign, the US would flatten them like Desert Storm.
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Reply #13 - Apr 20th, 2022 at 3:28pm
 
As I understand it the drones were used as decoys and the Russians swung the defence to them. leaving themselves open for the missile attack.
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Reply #14 - Apr 20th, 2022 at 4:01pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2022 at 3:28pm:
As I understand it the drones were used as decoys and the Russians swung the defence to them. leaving themselves open for the missile attack.


right, yes, I can see that happening.
If the russians do not defend themselves against the drones, the drones will win.

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