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Reply #120 - May 21^st, 2022 at 5:48pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 3:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 1:46pm:

Masks are for lowering the spread of the virus to other people. The infected person contains the virus to themselves. It also offers a little more protection from catching the virus from other people. And when most people use masks, the rate of transmission is lowered considerably.

Absolutely correct.

so?

the vaccine gives you protection for only a matter of months and omicron is going to be around indefinitely.

if you slow the spread, you will end up getting it when your antibody levels are low (unless everyone is going to get 4 monthly boosters, which they wont)

so if thats the case, there is NO advantage in trying to hide once you are fully vaxxed.

in fact, its kind of dumb

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Reply #121 - May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

I must say… when I caught normal flu… due to supplements I took… it lasted only 4 days and not severely bed ridden or anything… rather than a week or two … with covid… it got me for 2 weeks… I would say… 4-5 times longer than the usual flu I got in past.
I couldn’t eat and could only drink through a straw… painful mouth ulcers etc.
At least I lost 6 kgs in 2 weeks! Grin

Geez… something positive result came out of it!

One thing I read about… in a fb group of covid long haulers, many talk about crashing with energy… tiredness for a year or more… that’s one thing I didn’t get! I felt charged with lots of energy within a month after I had covid. Maybe all them supplements?
How differently if effects individuals… depending on so many factors.

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #122 - May 21^st, 2022 at 6:15pm

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

After two years of COVID - and spending a lot of time indoors - it's not unusual for people to be taking 5,000 iu per day of Vitamin D3.

My levels are very good, and I maintain it on 1,000 iu per day.

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Reply #123 - May 21^st, 2022 at 6:16pm

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:24pm:

One more thing lols…

I’ve been hearing recently about Super Charged Vitamin Therapy by using IV Drip …

Why IVD?

So it bypasses your stomach system which can filter out all of the vitamins- (yellow pee)

I’ve heard about folks that have had this done have felt a massive boost or wellness and energy…

Not sure if this is your cup of tea of not but its becoming very popular..

https://www.dripiv.com.au/

Oh I like that! I will look into it! Thank you for sharing that info.
Recently was thinking of looking into oxygen therapy ….

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Reply #124 - May 21^st, 2022 at 6:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:15pm:

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

After two years of COVID - and spending a lot of time indoors - it's not unusual for people to be taking 5,000 iu per day of Vitamin D3.

My levels are very good, and I maintain it on 1,000 iu per day.

I was always on the side of caution with supplements… because too much of anything can be toxic too.
It’s like me now finding out I have Lupus…
You know how garlic is supposed to be good for us etc… well lupus sufferers must avoid garlic… apart from ginger, echinacea etc to avoid flare ups and inflammation.
And most of my life I’ve used garlic to cook with at least twice a week … now nothing Embarrassed

and I love garlic bread… sigh …

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Reply #125 - May 21^st, 2022 at 7:26pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 10:12am:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:52am:

Lisa Jones wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:48am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 9:46am:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:50am:

Sophia wrote on May 17^th, 2022 at 11:57pm:

Saw on news tonight it’s recommended to wear masks … in public, transport etc because the flu is on the rise.
Well… I don’t mind wearing a mask in public…. It may offer a little protection and wether or not I still have antibodies from my covid episode in January… I will still seek to make use of all those pretty masks I bought.

Hopefully I won’t catch the flu …. Strange things is… I would always catch it every year! Like an old friend coming to visit me Roll Eyes

Yet… 2020 and 2021 no flu at all.
Of course lockdowns, masks, sanitizers, social distancing etc may have helped.
It will be interesting to see this year … winter months barely started … yet today felt very icy outside!
In the car I have a tube of hand sanitizer and spare masks in glove box.
Has become “must haves” when travelling.

Masks don’t work against viruses 🦠 - PERIOD… the virus would be approx 100 times smaller than the smallest hole in your mask ...

Lol

The virus hitches a ride in bodily fluids, and the masks do a very good job of stopping those liquid droplets.

They might do a good job but it's not 100% ...is the argument.

Correct.

Not 100% effective at all.

Neither are seatbelts - hundreds of people around the world die in automobile accidents every day, even though they were wearing seatbelts.

I still put mine on every time I get into a vehicle though.

I think the underlying issue here is this : From the get go there should have been a clear up front admission that masks are not THE ANSWER....but they are a step in the right direction in trying to contain this virus.

That's exactly what they did.

They've never claimed that masks are "the answer".

It's always been a combination of vaccinations, masks, personal hygiene, and social distancing.

That has always been my understanding.

In addition my understanding was that if you're not vaccinated then the need for due diligence would be paramount wrt social distancing, mask wearing, hand sanitizing and basically staying home and doing whatever you can online like shopping, banking, studying, catching up with friends and relatives etc and keeping travelling to a minimum/using your own vehicle not public transport.....oh and eating home cooked food .... would keep you safe and out of our crippled public hospital system.

There's also another thing which I know many here don't believe in (and that's ok) : I've always prayed to God quietly in my heart to keep me healthy SO I could be useful to those around me. I've got a lot of chores which I do each day and I run a lot of errands for my family and elderly neighbours so being ABLE to do whatever I can ultimately affects the lives of others ie neighbours who are home bound and have no transport or support as well as my family who are investing (ridiculous) hours in working and studying. I get that I'm surrounded by a lot of atheists on OzPol...but there's a lot to be said for praying to God and asking for His help whenever you feel unsafe and vulnerable.

Having said all that : Today I went shopping WITH my entire family. And we ate lunch at a cafe. We wore masks at first but no one else was so we took ours off when we sat down to eat. After that we forgot about putting them back on 😔

I kept hand sanitizing our hands as we physically went to Woolworths as a family. I was a little in shock at first because it felt so strange being out and about like that. And then I wished I hadn't bothered being pushed out of my comfort zone. Once again I saw first hand people around us looking at prices and shaking their heads and putting things back on the shelves.

Seeing that really upset me. Shopping online is far easier : it's a matter of using mathematics to fill your online shopping trolley by analysing all available data wrt seasonal sales/discounts and coming away feeling great. You've assessed and stretched your shopping dollar to the max.

Shopping for real isn't like that. You are among actual people and they distract you. And you get to realise things which makes you upset/angry. Today it was this : if shelves are empty because of Covid19/supply chain issues or because people can't afford to buy the item on account of rising inflation...the result is the same : people can't come home with the items they need.

For that reason I hope that both major parties tonight learn that we the people are tired of their respective silly games and expect more from the politicians we elect.

May the independents in this election go hard and do well!

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Re: Mask mandates didn't do anything
Reply #126 - May 21^st, 2022 at 8:33pm

Sophia wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 6:13pm:

SerialBrain9 wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:10pm:

Re getting flu lols…

I think everyone is different in that regards - i get it every once in 4 to 5 years …

But the one thing I’ve learnt is that you can minimise the worst effects it has..

Take Vit C (im sure you already do)
Vit D - everyone seems to be low on Vit D these days

But the most important Vitamin for colds and flu is ZINC………

The second most important medication is the delivery system for the zinc to your cells…

Ivermectin
Hydroxychloroquine
Or
Quercetin

One of those 3 taken with Zinc will massively help you with Flu and auto immune system

Exactly right you guessed I take c, d and zinc among others … I took them every day religiously for 2 years before I copped covid.
So the recent RA specialist says I’m a bit low on vit D but not severe… I told him I took 1000 iu every day for 2 years.
He looked a bit surprised then says… I can take up to 4000 iu per day safely.

I must say… when I caught normal flu… due to supplements I took… it lasted only 4 days and not severely bed ridden or anything… rather than a week or two … with covid… it got me for 2 weeks… I would say… 4-5 times longer than the usual flu I got in past.
I couldn’t eat and could only drink through a straw… painful mouth ulcers etc.
At least I lost 6 kgs in 2 weeks! Grin

Geez… something positive result came out of it!

One thing I read about… in a fb group of covid long haulers, many talk about crashing with energy… tiredness for a year or more… that’s one thing I didn’t get! I felt charged with lots of energy within a month after I had covid. Maybe all them supplements?
How differently if effects individuals… depending on so many factors.

So.. with VitD there are a number of things to consider…
Why?

Because its not as simple as taking VitD - WHY? - because VitD does not work by itself..

I have been through all of this some years ago with pumping massive amounts of VitD into the body without raising VitD levels…

So what changed?

Magnesium…………

So if you are low of VitD you will be low on calcium which can give you aching soft bones and other autoimmune diseases…

Caltrate saw this some years ago and changed their formula from VitD alone to a mixture that works with each other… the vital keys to health…

Ingredients for Caltrate Bone and Muscles…

Active Ingredients: Calcium (as calcium carbonate) 600mg, Colecalciferol (Vitamin D3) 25 micrograms (1,000IU), Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) 50mg, Zinc (as zinc oxide) 7.5mg, Copper (as cupric sulfate) 500 micrograms, Manganese (as manganese sulfate monohydrate) 1.75mg

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Reply #127 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 1:10am

aquascoot wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 5:48pm:

so?

the vaccine gives you protection for only a matter of months and omicron is going to be around indefinitely.

if you slow the spread, you will end up getting it when your antibody levels are low (unless everyone is going to get 4 monthly boosters, which they wont)

so if thats the case, there is NO advantage in trying to hide once you are fully vaxxed.

in fact, its kind of dumb

The point about vaccines is to not bulletproof your immune system against a virus. But rather offer more protection by training the immune system into producing the type of antibodies the body needs to fight off the infection. I mean, once the body has learned how to produce the antibodies, no matter how long after you get covid, the immune system will remember how to produce the antibodies.

Health authorities are not out to eradicate covid. They are just trying to lower the spread of the virus as much as possible. You would have thought that with the spread of the virus or the uptake of the vaccines in many countries, we might see covid on the way towards being just another cold & influenza virus.

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Reply #128 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 1:58am

Lisa Jones wrote on May 21^st, 2022 at 7:26pm:

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In addition my understanding was that if you're not vaccinated then the need for due diligence would be paramount wrt social distancing, mask wearing, hand sanitizing and basically staying home and doing whatever you can online like shopping, banking, studying, catching up with friends and relatives etc and keeping travelling to a minimum/using your own vehicle not public transport.....oh and eating home cooked food .... would keep you safe and out of our crippled public hospital system.

Having said all that : Today I went shopping WITH my entire family. And we ate lunch at a cafe. We wore masks at first but no one else was so we took ours off when we sat down to eat. After that we forgot about putting them back on 😔

I kept hand sanitizing our hands as we physically went to Woolworths as a family. I was a little in shock at first because it felt so strange being out and about like that. And then I wished I hadn't bothered being pushed out of my comfort zone. Once again I saw first hand people around us looking at prices and shaking their heads and putting things back on the shelves.

Seeing that really upset me. Shopping online is far easier : it's a matter of using mathematics to fill your online shopping trolley by analysing all available data wrt seasonal sales/discounts and coming away feeling great. You've assessed and stretched your shopping dollar to the max.

For that reason I hope that both major parties tonight learn that we the people are tired of their respective silly games and expect more from the politicians we elect.

May the independents in this election go hard and do well![/size]

Those who are vaxxed in high risk groups like old or obese should still take precautions lots of vaxxed people die from covid.

Since covid is spread by aerosols hand washing and social distancing 1.5m isn't go to do anything apart from stopping you getting e coli from some filthy person who doesn't wash hands after going to toilet.

The Japanese were the first to recognise aerosol spread with Diamond Princess cruise ship when passengers who were locked in cabins with no outside contact were getting infected in large numbers from the AC.

Indoors in poorly ventilated areas are the worst place for risk. If you're worried about shopping go first thing in the morning when AC has been going all night in empty shop. If you go out to eat always eat outside over inside.

People are starting to catch on with masks doing nothing apart from giving the appearance the government was doing something. The slow idiots who have been brainwashed by fake news aren't up to date with reality and no government wil admit they were wrong until people publicly shove the evidence in their face and say Please explain.

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Reply #130 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:35am

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:07am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

.

So don't wear that one LOL

N95 masks are not approved for Asbestos work the smallest Asbestos particles are over 50 times larger than Aerosols.

N95 masks don't work with Covid Surgical masks don't work they only give a false sense of security that you have some protection.

Quote:

September 3, 2019

N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel

A Randomized Clinical Trial

Findings In this pragmatic, cluster randomized clinical trial involving 2862 health care personnel, there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among health care personnel with the use of N95 respirators (8.2%) vs medical masks (7.2%).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

That study was published just before the pandemic the real science was masks don't work the political science imposed masks mandates to appear to be doing something.

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Reply #131 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:36am

Baronvonrort wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:35am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:07am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

.

So don't wear that one LOL

N95 masks are not approved for Asbestos work the smallest Asbestos particles are over 50 times larger than Aerosols.

N95 masks don't work with Covid Surgical masks don't work they only give a false sense of security that you have some protection.

Quote:

September 3, 2019

N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel

A Randomized Clinical Trial

Findings In this pragmatic, cluster randomized clinical trial involving 2862 health care personnel, there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among health care personnel with the use of N95 respirators (8.2%) vs medical masks (7.2%).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

That study was published just before the pandemic the real science was masks don't work the political science imposed masks mandates to appear to be doing something.

It's funny to me because I am regularly balls deep in a nurse and when we're clothed, she tells me things she sees at work. They tested masks. Now, they wear more serious masks in the emergency department, but the ones we've been wearing, do have an impact. Are they 100%? No. Is it better than nothing and something viable we could all do? Yes.

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Reply #132 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:20pm

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:36am:

Baronvonrort wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 11:35am:

FutureTheLeftWant wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 8:07am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

.

So don't wear that one LOL

N95 masks are not approved for Asbestos work the smallest Asbestos particles are over 50 times larger than Aerosols.

N95 masks don't work with Covid Surgical masks don't work they only give a false sense of security that you have some protection.

Quote:

September 3, 2019

N95 Respirators vs Medical Masks for Preventing Influenza Among Health Care Personnel

A Randomized Clinical Trial

Findings In this pragmatic, cluster randomized clinical trial involving 2862 health care personnel, there was no significant difference in the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among health care personnel with the use of N95 respirators (8.2%) vs medical masks (7.2%).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2749214

That study was published just before the pandemic the real science was masks don't work the political science imposed masks mandates to appear to be doing something.

It's funny to me because I am regularly balls deep in a nurse and when we're clothed, she tells me things she sees at work. They tested masks. Now, they wear more serious masks in the emergency department, but the ones we've been wearing, do have an impact. Are they 100%? No. Is it better than nothing and something viable we could all do? Yes.

You're not the only one who has banged a few nurses most don't feel the need to brag about it.

Nurses and doctors aren't experts on PPE people called Industrial hygienists spcialise in this.

The Journal of the American Medical Association published my link there are around 150 other studies showing masks don't work with Aerosols.

Science has accepted masks don't work with Aerosols the studies that claim they work get withdrawn when people could be bothered reviewing them.

Quote:

Decrease in Hospitalizations for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties

Withdrawal The authors have withdrawn this manuscript because there are increased rates of SARS- CoV-2 cases in the areas that we originally analyzed in this study

Therefore, the authors do not wish this work to be cited as reference for the project.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20208728v2

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Reply #133 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:35pm

Baronvonrort wrote on May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:20pm:

The Journal of the American Medical Association published my link there are around 150 other studies showing masks don't work with Aerosols.

Science has accepted masks don't work with Aerosols the studies that claim they work get withdrawn when people could be bothered reviewing them.

Masks work like tissues or handkerchiefs. The mucus you exhale will go somewhere. So, it might as well be limited to yourself. That is not to say that aerosols are not going to get through. But, the majority of the virus you exhale will be inside water droplets. Water droplets are large enough to not get through the face masks in any significant amount. But, whatever aerosols of the virus do get through the facemask will be limited to a short distance and in low proportion to what could have been exhaled.

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Reply #134 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 12:57pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:28pm:

I have pointed out masks don't really do anything the Kung Flu is aerosol transmission not droplet.

Of course a few idiots insisted on arguing in favour of masks.

This "idiot" ignored the opinions of lab coats and statisticians - preferring to look at the bleeding obvious FACTS as they are in Australia

It matters jack-poo to me whether the virus travels like an aerosol - or like a garden hose

Since the "experts" told us to throw away the masks, there have been
MORE
caes of COVID19 contractions and deaths in Australia in the
past FOUR MONTHS
- than the combined total of the
previous TWO YEARS

That's a good enough argument - for me - to keep it ON

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